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09-17-2012 | 04:36 PM
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So you thought those jobs were going to show up in 76 days? You do know the contract was signed on 1 July 2012. I also hope your really don't believe that Delta airlines operates in a vacuum. Have you picked up a newspaper since 1 July?
Your stating two thousand jobs will be required by the contract or implied by ALPA is also BS. The document you reference put out by ALPA is still available on the website. You should have read it before voting on the contract but take the time to read it now. Read all if it including the assumptions. The actual number assuming a bunch of things which they carefully spell out was 1107 additional jobs. Thats almost half your quoted number. That number was at the end of 2016 or over 4 years from now. The number quoted for 2012 as far as extra jobs was 1 total job. They quoted 180 additional jobs by the end of 2013 or over 15 months from now. If the economy causes marketing to make a 2 percent downward adjustment in their block hour plan we lose over 200 jobs.
The 1107 additional jobs is almost exactly what you would expect with the addition of the 717's to the fleet and the resultant shift in block hours from DCI to the mainline. The first 717 however is still about a year away from a in service date. Again the contract was signed 76 days ago. Talk to me in 3 years!
Your stating two thousand jobs will be required by the contract or implied by ALPA is also BS. The document you reference put out by ALPA is still available on the website. You should have read it before voting on the contract but take the time to read it now. Read all if it including the assumptions. The actual number assuming a bunch of things which they carefully spell out was 1107 additional jobs. Thats almost half your quoted number. That number was at the end of 2016 or over 4 years from now. The number quoted for 2012 as far as extra jobs was 1 total job. They quoted 180 additional jobs by the end of 2013 or over 15 months from now. If the economy causes marketing to make a 2 percent downward adjustment in their block hour plan we lose over 200 jobs.
The 1107 additional jobs is almost exactly what you would expect with the addition of the 717's to the fleet and the resultant shift in block hours from DCI to the mainline. The first 717 however is still about a year away from a in service date. Again the contract was signed 76 days ago. Talk to me in 3 years!
I don't recall ever stating we would hire this year. It is however still being considered. I read SD's memo. I guess you are not aware he is the VP of flight ops. He has his agenda. The memo said we might hire depending on about five varibles. I am really shocked so many on here have not read so much of what they post about.
No, you didn't state we would hire this year, but you along with the others were fine with SD pushing the idea; a voice of authority and knowledge who puts out an official communication from the company. No one I recall who was in support of the TA said anything like that at the time, "I guess you are not aware he is the VP of flight ops. He has his agenda." Should we not trust SD when he suggest positive results for supporting DALPA's recommended course of action? You're right, maybe all communications from company representatives should come with a disclaimer about how their ideas and suggestions should be considered favoring the company and should not be construed in a manner which you might think beneficial to the employee. As much as anyone who tried to point out how none of the dangled sweets were actually in writing, it was constantly dismissed as the musings of ill-informed pilots.
I read the SD memo about hiring. I am well aware of the caveats he attached. But the fact is he was part of a coordinated effort that benefited from the cozy relationship between management and union. You can be shocked all you want; its your drama.
09-17-2012 | 04:47 PM
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I would like the following change in the next contract:
Currently we have a max of 6 short calls, though that does go to 7 next winter I believe.
Right now I see that when we have training in our month, we are limited from 6 to 5 short calls because of the 3 less days of availability on ones schedule that now thankfully does not take away from our off days.
I propose that when a person sitting reserve flies, that that persons SC amount also goes down. So if you get a 3 day trip, when you finish you now are only on the hook for 5 SCs instead of 6. I know the company probably won't go for this, but It would be nice. In July I flew a bunch and was done before the month was out, but still was on the hook for all my SCs, so they couldn't really fly me, but they could still make me sit SC.
Luckily I'm done for the month on SCs, 5 in a row all truncated so I could sit perpetually for 6 days.
Currently we have a max of 6 short calls, though that does go to 7 next winter I believe.
Right now I see that when we have training in our month, we are limited from 6 to 5 short calls because of the 3 less days of availability on ones schedule that now thankfully does not take away from our off days.
I propose that when a person sitting reserve flies, that that persons SC amount also goes down. So if you get a 3 day trip, when you finish you now are only on the hook for 5 SCs instead of 6. I know the company probably won't go for this, but It would be nice. In July I flew a bunch and was done before the month was out, but still was on the hook for all my SCs, so they couldn't really fly me, but they could still make me sit SC.
Luckily I'm done for the month on SCs, 5 in a row all truncated so I could sit perpetually for 6 days.
09-17-2012 | 05:03 PM
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I think if we needed pilots for summer 2013 flying we'd have had announcements regarding the hiring window opening. Usually we don't need to hire for the fall, but who knows.
Also I thought we usually had the next summer block hour plan by this point in time. What's the delay?
Also I thought we usually had the next summer block hour plan by this point in time. What's the delay?
09-17-2012 | 05:13 PM
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hey shiz... since when did Frasier start playing with the Broncos?
09-17-2012 | 05:22 PM
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This board is getting more and more like the worthless DALPA board. Same guys, same jousting back and forth. How about we quit looking at where we've been and focus on where we're going.
09-17-2012 | 05:30 PM
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09-17-2012 | 05:34 PM
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buzz, before we change subjects, I want to say the Gawga dome looks dark, dingy and dumpy on tv.
09-17-2012 | 05:35 PM
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09-17-2012 | 05:37 PM
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I think he's completed more passes to ATL than Ryan has!
09-17-2012 | 05:40 PM
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