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Originally Posted by alfaromeo
(Post 650260)
Wow, how did you get that out of it. The way I see it, bid period 5 will occur before SOC for every DAL-N pilot, therefore, any increase in staffing will have to occur before SOC. Second, I don't think there is any difference in staffing between the two scheduling systems, Delta management certainly isn't planning for any increase. Have your recent APA's included a big increase in positions? They have already bid out the APA's well into the winter right? Last, DAL-N still has to cope with the loss of 280+ jobs from the freighter loss. I don't think there is going to be a lot of excess jobs for DAL-S pilots to go up north for.
Nice try to whip up a controversy where there isn't any. Nobody is going to steal your jobs that aren't coming anyway with the changes in scheduling systems. Oh, and one last point, did you read the contract before you voted on it? There seems to be a bunch of guys that voted on this contract and then complain loudly when they have to live under what they just voted for, as if it is a conspiracy. |
In addition to the DC-9 not getting rigs, etc. until after SOC, one little item burns me...no hotels in base when a re-route leaves me in base in the middle of a trip. That's gotten me 7 times already this year, including tonite.
Not a huge item (only about $400 for me), but why can't they just turn it on? I find it hard to believe it's an IT issue. 8...staying at a DTW motel 8 |
Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
(Post 650290)
Yes. Then, via a logbook entry denoting Service Bulletin compliance can be changed to exceed, or comply with, the scope flavor of the day.
Obviously our scope is a limitation which is not very limiting as we watch the airplanes fly full of our passengers. Worse, we can not monitor compliance. Our scope needs to focus on WHO flies, not WHAT flies. At least Lee mentioned "Scope" in his latest Chairmans Letter - so at least we now know that Lee knows how to spell "Scope." Granted, it was used in the context of the new JV, ie. affecting widebodies, but it is still progress. :) OBTW I agree 100% that a limitation that can be changed via management fiat is completely worthless regarding Scope. :cool: Scoop |
Originally Posted by Nosmo King
(Post 638597)
Sounds like this whole thing was negotiated and approved without ever getting guidance/approval by the MEC. That would NOT have happened at DAL-N.
Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 640374)
And it did not happen at Delta.
Originally Posted by Nosmo King
(Post 643022)
Good, since you seem to have better ALPA contacts, you can probably answer the following questions:
Which LEC reps were consulted about the A330 pilot rest facility prior to the announcement ot the agreement by Lee Moak? Which LEC reps voted on the A330 rest facility agreement prior to the announcement of the agreement by Lee Moak? When did the vote take place and when was the agreement signed? Of the above LEC reps, how many are currently or were previously qualified on the A330? Is Sailingfun on vacation? I asked him this question on another thread and he hasn't responded, so I did the research myself. Here is more campaign material for acl A330 Agreement for 4 pilot augmentation. The CROT committee negotiated a new facility in the bulk area for two pilots. The really nice existing facility near the flight deck will be removed when the bulk facility is installed. Until the bulk facility is installed, the existing room will remain, and Seat 5-J will be used in the interim as a rest area for the 4th pilot (known as the FO). 5-J will be modified to lay flat AND horizontal. 4-J will be given limited recline to compensate for the new seat in 5-J. The obligatory curtain will be installed. The old bunk area will be converted to galley and two more biz class seats will be added as the galley is rearranged. The CROT consisted of a DAL-S negotiator, a DTW747A and a DTW330B. The agreement was negotiated and then sent directly to LM, who signed it. The elected LEC Officers were briefed last week at the quarterly MEC Meeting on the contents of the new agreement. There was no opportunity to vote or amend the agreement. One thing they did right: The Seat 5-J authorization drops dead on June 30, 2010 or 2011. I am still trying to get an exact date. 11 airplanes will be modified with the bulk facility as they come in for other mods to biz class. My favorite question asked about the agreement: "How are the pilots going to get any rest in the compartment with an MEL that requires the APU to be running for the entire flight, since the APU is next to the bulk compartment?" Answer: "That was a good question.... never considered that" Question not answered yet: Can these airplanes be flown under 12 and over 8 hours. Current JPWA requires the pilot rest seat and third jumpseat in the old facility. If we gave up the jumpseat, that's a concession IMO. So to answer the question, there has been an agreement signed by the MEC Chairman without any oversight/input/proofreading/voting by the elected reps. The NEXT question is how many others have there been and how many more will there be? The answer needs to be "NO MORE FROM THIS POINT FORWARD" I would also like to know when the Delta MEC Policy Manual will be written so that ALL the reps know what rules are used to conduct MEC business at meetings. END RANT |
NK, did you ask your rep if they knew anything about the agreement? Would like to know who is on the CROT group; who the 2 NW pilots were; in light of AF...personally do not think its a smart idea to have the pilots in the bulk.
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Check your PM.
As far as AF is concerned, if its over 12 hours there will be one CA and one FO on duty in each half of the flight, since DL uses double captain augmentation over 12. The reps didn't know anything about the agreement prior to the ASPEN voicemail from LM announcing that it had been signed. |
Originally Posted by capncrunch
(Post 650247)
Wow, what a nice worded way to say that....
Let me turn down the squelch AKA, we are waiting until SOC before we move DAL-N to the new rigs so that everyone gets to enjoy the new positions on DAL-N aircraft. |
Where is the "bulk" area?
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If anyone is wondering where the AUG displacements will be coming from check out the Sep SILS list. Checking the AUG reserve availability lists ER B seems to be more overmanned then ER A at most bases. 26 NYC ER B, never seen that before. CVG, ouch. Makes sense since a ER crew is typically one A and two B's. Good luck to us.
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Originally Posted by nwaf16dude
(Post 650561)
Where is the "bulk" area?
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