I think the LEC reps would disagree. The CROT did not look at the APU issue and admitted as much during the briefing.

I have flown with the APU running for an entire flight due to MEL and the Flight Attendants called on interphone to ask why it was so noisy in the aft galley. The DTW744A probably did not think about it because he doesn't do ETOPS, but I know him and he is a very smart guy. He is the one that said they didn't consider the issue during the Q and A at the MEC meeting.

In any case it's VERY BAD to allow the MEC Chairman to approve an agreement without a vote by the elected reps and it just happened contrary to your denial. It was apparently allowed by contract and since there isn't a MEC Policy Manual yet there is no conflict with DALPA policy, just bad judgement in writing that language into 16C and a bad way to conduct the business of Contract Administration and Negotiation.

I disagree with your conclusion. Our CROT language gives us the right to be involved up front in crafting a solution to crew rest. The old way was to have management come up with a solution and then fight about a plan that already has momentum behind it. By getting union involvement up front, we can guide the outcome from the very start. What that means is that the MEC has to give direction to the committee and then let them do their work. We fought very hard to develop this process, and I think it is vastly superior to the old way. By the way, this is a contractual process and is not subject to change by the Policy Manual.

It seems odd that the Northwest MEC was self-acknowledged to be a mess of infighting and dysfunction (that's from them not from me). Yet, the NW guys seem to want to hang onto their old ways of doing business. At some point, you pick people you trust to do work, give them direction, and then let them do their job. By making every little issue a political football, it just encourages the kind of horse trading and back biting that characterized your old MEC. What's the point? Is there any question that this deal would not have been approved by the MEC? You have to trust people to do their jobs. If they don't, then replace them.

There it is.. in a nutshell. How can we convince our reps that THIS is what's important?

Elect the right reps...

They've always done it that way... therefore it must be right, right? :)

Really? Who said that? From this post and others you have made you seem to really enjoy running down the fNWA MEC, and by association our pilot group. I suggest you give it a rest. We did things differently, but frequently came up with very similar results, specific for the culture of our airline and the management we had to work with. Do you need to do this to validate the current MEC's style? Seems to me there are a lot of fDAL as I read here and the web boards that would like to see a lot more of that pesky transparency and communication we had at the fNWA MEC.

BTW, why do we even need the additional crew rest facility - I recall a rather elaborate discussion during the SLI hearings on how the 330 could not fly over 12 hrs. :eek:

Bite your tongue man! Just for that I'll be sending you another picture of the dear leader for you to hang in your living room!

Carl

Damn, guys. I hope we're asking for decent ticket prices. My jets are jammed. You are not gonna get on an 800 if you're non-revving.

PS. JFK continues to be THE biggest nightmare in the system. What a mess.

Oh, oh, I want one, I want one !

Me too!! Me too!!!! Thank you sir may I have another.