Except they have trimmed domestic way too far. People are getting frustrated with the over sales and full airplanes.

Frustrated, but not willing to pay more for there tickets. Talk is cheap, let them vote with their pocket books!

We need people to pay what the actual cost is, not what they would like. To do that we need to retrain them. That takes time.

FWIW,
Just came back from ACC last night. On the DH from JFK to the ATL sat next to a JFK VIP who told me to look for the news concerning LGA to break today or tomorrow. Involves swapping things with LCC but will increase our presence at LGA. LCC is floundering, cash poor and beginning to shed the only things that are valuable to them to buy themselves more time. It was explained to me that if we control the "north shore" and the "south shore" we will be able to better manage the air traffic flow in the area, and be able to smooth out the operation and solidify our position in NY market. At least that is what they hope to do.
Funny story came out of that ride too, as we taxied past the AA terminal in JFK (Ghost town), apparently, when RA came on board he approached Arpey about maybe taking that terminal off their hands because the way he saw it, they barely used it and they are losing their shirt on it. Pi$$ed Arpey off to no end, RA walked away smiling.
Bottom line, they know JFK is a mess, looking at all kinds of things to remedy problems. Even tougher in this environment. Not a whole lot of money out there to build. Would prefer something already built. We'll see.
Burn Notice

Hopefully the revenue management guys have this figured out. In the past airline managers are like crack addicts and can't price the ticket for more than it cost to operate.

I can only hope, that this team has a plan other than "hey look we made a small profit, FARE SALE!!!" It looks like they have reduced the capacity to be able to ratchet up the fares so as to make a few bucks. It's crazy out there right now. If I just went to work and didn't watch the news, I would think our economy was great.

It's not the PAX as much as it is the panic that goes on when the giant TV screen shows declining future bookings. This is not your classic macro economics 101 case: high demand + low supply = low cost. WHAT!

Good work for a guy that has been Burned.
BTW great season finally!

Your information is very good.
Last part is very good as well. Just remember that when people calm down, logic prevails, and this though a long shot is a distinct possibility.

I will be happy when this comes out, officially, as it will put some of the hyenas at bay ;)

urbane meyer won't do that... especially when Lane Kiffin comes to town.

Not that I doubt what you say. BUT, don't you think this vip would be risking his/her job(or even an sec violation) by divulging something of this magnitude?? Were they drinking(loose lips)? If so, mgmt has other problems. I hope you are right. Have not seen the JFK operation yet, but a guy I flew with recently had done JFK/FCO and was VERY impressed by the amount of large DAL metal. Reminded him of NWAs NRT operation.

I too am a native west coaster and I currently live in the PDX area and commute to SLC. Also, before coming to DL, I spent 16 years working for the Alaska Air Group. Having said that, I would love to see a stronger DL presence out here. However, I think it would be a very bad idea for DL to try to jump into the north/south market on its own given the current situation.

Like you said, AS is doing the majority of the work out here - so, by having this agreement with them, DL is able to use their extensive west coast network without having to actually compete. Wouldn't break my heart to see us merge with AS down the road though.

It is my guess that this would be the VP of the NYC op. Might not be under the same type of NDA that they guys here in ATL are. Plus, if this comes to fruition, it appears that it is a swap and really not a gain for us or them.....

Could be true. It hasn't been stopping some of the other "big wigs" up in NY from divulging the latest and greatest.