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Old 10-19-2012 | 07:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Free Bird
I don't recall anything in those notes that wasn't already known.

- Seattle is important to Delta. Doesn't take much work on google to find that DAL has recently added flights there. Im sure AMR and SWA have no idea we codeshare with Alaska.

-The Atlantic markets are weak. Who in this industry does not know that.

- Delta is going to play Boeing vs. Airbus. Nothing that AMR didn't do last year and that Delta didn't previously do with the 737-900 order.

Every time that I get a line check, those guys love to play "I know something that you don't game" and I'll tell you on the leg home if there's time. They tell us and then we come here (or other forums) and tell all of our buds. My point is that information finds it's way here anyway. I even saved the "Delta Digest" or whatever it was called, where RA said "I'm not here to merge this airline". Within 6 months he announced the merger with NWA. I think that certain items they put out are mis-information anyway. !
Perhaps, but the difference is when you are in a position of trust like an LCA, and THE boss asks you not to put it on a public forum and you do you have violated that trust, and it means at the very least that candid information will less forthcoming in the future.

OTOH, I agree somewhat with the misinformation and public info perspective - they are not going to reveal the really sensitive stuff to 400 gossipy pilots not bound by a confidentiality agreement.

I'm guessing they, whomever they are, is more PO'd that they can't trust a trusted group to exercise some headwork. There is a difference between word of mouth and a transcript than can be read by the press. Doh!
Old 10-19-2012 | 07:09 AM
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Originally Posted by alfaromeo
Could you please explain why your ability to read these notes is worth taking even the slimmest chance someone could lose their job? I don't care if it is a conflict of interest, the interest is in saving someone's job and not reading gossip. You will live without this information, how is someone going to care for their family without a job? Priorities man, priorities.
Ironic ... you've suggested that pilots quit, haven't you?

None the less, I agree with your point.

Those who have stagnated at the bottom, some of whom are considering looking elsewhere for employment (despite the fact Delta is a wonderful place to be) are desperate for any good news. That is how their priorities get screwed up. I don't condone Fartbox's antagonism on the subject, but with yet another displacement coming up, I sure do understand it.
Old 10-19-2012 | 07:15 AM
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Originally Posted by TANSTAAFL
I'm guessing they, whomever they are, is more PO'd that they can't trust a trusted group to exercise some headwork. There is a difference between word of mouth and a transcript than can be read by the press. Doh!
No disrespect intended ... this is only partially as response to you and partially a response to some other things that have been written on the latest tempest in a tea pot.

Do you really think anyone is "PO'd," or is it more likely some A 300 LCA thought he might score a point with the boss for getting another pilot in hot water?

I would guess our senior management does not get any more "PO'd" at a staff issue than a senior Captain get's emotional about a common mechanical issue. The routine is the same, pull the HR checklist and mitigate the threat. The threat might even be a guy who runs to management instead of taking the more direct path of contacting the web board Mods, or Pro Standards.

For some reason, some pilots, seem to think this is an emotional business ... it isn't, it is business.

FWIW, there are some hyper accurate posts made on this board that are much more revealing than the LCA's notes. Mostly they calm folks down and give them hope that our continued pattern of shrinkage and displacement might be abated at some point in the future. Those posts are good for morale.
Old 10-19-2012 | 07:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Ironic ... you've suggested that pilots quit, haven't you?

None the less, I agree with your point.

Those who have stagnated at the bottom, some of whom are considering looking elsewhere for employment (despite the fact Delta is a wonderful place to be) are desperate for any good news. That is how their priorities get screwed up. I don't condone Fartbox's antagonism on the subject, but with yet another displacement coming up, I sure do understand it.
Speaking of, I thought I heard somewhere the AE was going to be out by the end of this week?
Old 10-19-2012 | 07:37 AM
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Originally Posted by scambo1
I've been a gold guy, but was intrigued by the ppo until it was going away. Now I'm thinking about the DPMP.

Anyone made a case between gold and DPMP? Married, 1 child at home.

Monthly fee less important than what I have to pony up for each doctor visit. My son always maxes out, my wife and I are healthy and just use normal gender related medical.

Same as you I have been on the Gold the last two years with minimal usage. However the DPMP is looking a bit better to me for a couple of reasons. I have 3 eyeglass wearing individuals and our current vision insurance is horrible in my area. With the DPMP you at least get a free checkup, that and the minimal reduction are making the DPMP look a bit better.

I too would like to get a better idea off my out of pocket expenses in DPMP vs. Gold.
Old 10-19-2012 | 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by TANSTAAFL
Speaking of, I thought I heard somewhere the AE was going to be out by the end of this week?
Probably the end of the month. Atlanta 767 getting pulled down to some extent. Not sure to what level they'll let the 737 absorb pilots since the eventual goal is to staff the 717's without hiring off the street.

The other big question is how many the 7ER will absorb in ATL.

Displacements off the 767 in Atlanta are painful. Hope that recent discussions may indicate mitigation via a popular base like Seattle, or more flying opportunities out of Atlanta.
Old 10-19-2012 | 07:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Jesse
When does the window open?
Oct 26th - Nov 16th.
Old 10-19-2012 | 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Ironic ... you've suggested that pilots quit, haven't you?

None the less, I agree with your point.

Those who have stagnated at the bottom, some of whom are considering looking elsewhere for employment (despite the fact Delta is a wonderful place to be) are desperate for any good news. That is how their priorities get screwed up. I don't condone Fartbox's antagonism on the subject, but with yet another displacement coming up, I sure do understand it.
ALPA has to invest resources to grieve their termination (even if their termination is a slam dunk due to the social media policy). If they quit then its just one less 1.95%. Litigation of one termination costs at least a lifetime of dues.

People on the bottom of the list should be thankful they weren't at Comair, or aren't at GoJets, or weren't at Colgan, or aren't at Pinnacle. I can understand people getting frustrated and how they can get desperate for the smallest morsel of good news, but I see this most from people who don't truly understand how awful this industry can be. A junior DAL FOs QOL is likely better than that of even the most senior pilots in the regional world. I would hazard a guess that the plug here gets more days off than at least 75% of all the RJ drivers out there.

Granted our situation isn't great, and it may not be for a while, and the actual 5 year plan would be really cool to see, but we aren't paid to plan - we're paid to fly and gossip. So if we aren't giving orders, we're taking them - and when the CO orders you to not run to social media with something (not sure if RA directly did or not - but for the sake of the company's reaction lets say he did) - then you don't. Let the leaks come as they may - and they will come. But don't disobey orders - even if you feel entitled to do so under the guise of anonymity. See - getting paid to gossip.
Old 10-19-2012 | 08:27 AM
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i always forget to bid golden days. dangit.
Old 10-19-2012 | 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
i always forget to bid golden days. dangit.
maybe you can remember to swap them.
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