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Bucking Bar 11-28-2012 11:43 AM


Originally Posted by SailorJerry (Post 1300824)
Given a predominantly military background for our work force, the level of direct and indirect insubordination is impressive.

And insubordination>not wearing your hat

That's what I think when folks in the GO with communication at the top of their required job skills can't find the time to return any of a half dozen phone calls, or e-mails, over a couple of weeks.

Given that FMLA compliance is the law and the Department of Labor is just as serious about their enforcement as the FAA is it's regulations, Delta is exposed to penalty as a result of some folks in HR being unable, or unwilling, to perform their responsibilities.

The HRPM has been updated to make things more clear, but, not returning communications is insubordinate, IMHO. If I was as unresponsive as Delta HR, I would have been fired years ago ..... rant over.

badflaps 11-28-2012 12:08 PM

If you stand back and look, there are enough wanna-be m/cs' with material, that can't wait. This will prolly backfire badly and disappear with a small wimper.

SailorJerry 11-28-2012 12:27 PM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1300836)

Out of curiosity, is questioning a poorly worded new policy insubordination?

80 and Bar - just remember the following. If we did our job as well as they do their job, there'd be smoking craters all over the south east. It's exactly why we take up issue with lateral encroachment on the flight ops silo. No one is as meticulous, or precise as us. The words, "will", "should", and "may" have real life and death consequences for us. HR Rep feeling stressed - she leaves at 415pm on Friday, or turns her Outlook off. ACS bigwigs try and spew the company line about the symbolism of a Delta pilot in uniform. But it wasn't the HR department, or ACS, or IFS, or the IRS that made the Delta pilot a symbol. We did. Us. Not them. So while I may lob a counter point to stir discussion, it's because the reason we aren't doing this isn't because we don't want to, or because we're dodging it, it's because we're leading by example, and we're getting sick of the messes generated by our support staff that end up being mitigated by us. That's why we're the symbol. Because flights ops runs the show. I'd like to see HR generate $36 billion in revenue from their cubicle with a view.

forgot to bid 11-28-2012 12:31 PM

sorry, can't text and taxi...

reword it to say: if you are good at public speaking, have solid people skills or are devilishly handsome, feel free to make a gate PA!

PilotFrog 11-28-2012 01:04 PM

Another way to make this go away real fast is to be very informed on what passengers are entitled to in different delays, And then duly inform said passengers.
WX - SOL
MX - depends on time but maybe food vouchers and such
CX- A whole bunch o stuff depending on why.

NuGuy 11-28-2012 01:47 PM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1300849)
That's what I think when folks in the GO with communication at the top of their required job skills can't find the time to return any of a half dozen phone calls, or e-mails, over a couple of weeks.

Given that FMLA compliance is the law and the Department of Labor is just as serious about their enforcement as the FAA is it's regulations, Delta is exposed to penalty as a result of some folks in HR being unable, or unwilling, to perform their responsibilities.

The HRPM has been updated to make things more clear, but, not returning communications is insubordinate, IMHO. If I was as unresponsive as Delta HR, I would have been fired years ago ..... rant over.

Have you called your rep about it?

DALPA is pretty serious about chasing stuff like that down.

Nu

FlyZ 11-28-2012 01:51 PM

What are the thoughts on the VA JV? Looks like they can increase VA departures from 14 to 21, and DL can cut ours from 7 to 6.75. If they cut below that, it's ok because they have until 1 Apr 14 to reach compliance. If they don't, we'll be really really mad at them and not appreciate it at all. If they still don't, we will try to work out a new LOA. If they still don't, we'll give them just one more chance. And if they still don't, be ready because we will grieve the issue!

grasshopper 11-28-2012 02:02 PM


Originally Posted by FlyZ (Post 1300912)
What are the thoughts on the VA JV? Looks like they can increase VA departures from 14 to 21, and DL can cut ours from 7 to 6.75. If they cut below that, it's ok because they have until 1 Apr 14 to reach compliance. If they don't, we'll be really really mad at them and not appreciate it at all. If they still don't, we will try to work out a new LOA. If they still don't, we'll give them just one more chance. And if they still don't, be ready because we will grieve the issue!

We will soon be married to the Virgins...so in a literal sense it's pretty good:D

flyallnite 11-28-2012 02:38 PM


Originally Posted by FlyZ (Post 1300912)
What are the thoughts on the VA JV? Looks like they can increase VA departures from 14 to 21, and DL can cut ours from 7 to 6.75. If they cut below that, it's ok because they have until 1 Apr 14 to reach compliance. If they don't, we'll be really really mad at them and not appreciate it at all. If they still don't, we will try to work out a new LOA. If they still don't, we'll give them just one more chance. And if they still don't, be ready because we will grieve the issue!

It's better than nothing, which is exactly what the company is obliged to give us with this JV. Glad they at least worked something out. I hope the JV helps us compete in that market with UAL and Quantas, both tough competitors. I do wonder what the future holds wrt the Virgin brand and possible DL links.

scambo1 11-28-2012 02:54 PM


Originally Posted by SailorJerry (Post 1300824)
Given a predominantly military background for our work force, the level of direct and indirect insubordination is impressive.

They teach some tough flying in the armed forces, but did you guys never practice PAs? Sad.

And insubordination>not wearing your hat

Last I checked dal wasn't the military. The first pa I ever practiced was in new hire class...I don't see that as sad...I had however, prior to then, briefed many many many times.

Insubordination would involve not following a lawful order...the point of this (borderline ridiculous) discussion is whether the order is lawful.


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