Originally Posted by SailorJerry (Post 1300824)

Given a predominantly military background for our work force, the level of direct and indirect insubordination is impressive.

They teach some tough flying in the armed forces, but did you guys never practice PAs? Sad.

And insubordination>not wearing your hat

Originally Posted by GunshipGuy (Post 1300942)

But I think you're on to something: military folks always wore their hats. But their leaders did as well. So we just need RA and the boys to start wearing management uniforms with hats and set the example. All will be right with the world. :D

Originally Posted by GunshipGuy (Post 1300942)

But I think you're on to something: military folks always wore their hats. But their leaders did as well. So we just need RA and the boys to start wearing management uniforms with hats and set the example. All will be right with the world. :D

Originally Posted by FlyZ (Post 1300912)

What are the thoughts on the VA JV? Looks like they can increase VA departures from 14 to 21, and DL can cut ours from 7 to 6.75.

Originally Posted by FlyZ (Post 1300912)

What are the thoughts on the VA JV? Looks like they can increase VA departures from 14 to 21, and DL can cut ours from 7 to 6.75. If they cut below that, it's ok because they have until 1 Apr 14 to reach compliance. If they don't, we'll be really really mad at them and not appreciate it at all. If they still don't, we will try to work out a new LOA. If they still don't, we'll give them just one more chance. And if they still don't, be ready because we will grieve the issue!

Originally Posted by GunshipGuy (Post 1300942)

But I think you're on to something: military folks always wore their hats. But their leaders did as well. So we just need RA and the boys to start wearing management uniforms with hats and set the example. All will be right with the world. :D

Originally Posted by SailorJerry (Post 1300961)

Who said Delta isn't the military? I got his uniform right here.

http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6001/5...a39d8414_z.jpg

Originally Posted by Sink r8 (Post 1300814)

T, you sort of have to be looking for a loophole, in order to extrapolate that his main point was that ALPA would fail to represent. Bottom line, sailing was saying this wouldn't become an issue. I'm starting to think he's right. If there is a conflict, and some over-agressive ACS person writes a pilot up, I think the company will not let it get out of hand. If they don't, then ALPA better be all over it.

I was thinking further about this after talking to a rep, and realized I don't really have a strategy for them to react upfront. The company is emphasizing that pilots have an impact. I agree with that. They're telling ACS we will perform these gatehouse duties, in a beautifully tailored uniform, and I agree we'll do it to the extent it fits our plans. If in the application of this projection of pilot coolness, they get ahead of themselves, then we'll need to act.

I'm not sure I want us anticipating a problem on the PA's, but I'd like to see more assistance on the costs of uniforms.

What if there are a few issues, and a new memo reminds ACS that the PA's will occur if the Captain feels it appropriate in light of his/her other duties? That sentence alone would have made the memo perfect, but it can come in the form of a clean-up if needed.

Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 1300951)

I just don't get it.
Virgin gets 21 flights a week and we get 7.
The population of the US is 310 million. The population of Australia is 22 million.

Why would we agree to this? Why does Delta agree to this?