Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1375210)

The company never claims that to ALPA. However regardless of what you believe its in the companies thought process at all times and it actually should be. Their job is to run the best airline they can. If tomorrow they gave us a 50 percent pay raise and funded it by cutting the other employees pay by 30 percent how do you think the airline would function afterword. That is a unrealistic extreme example but the exact same factors play every time we get a new contract or some other improvement.
Last fall a petition went out to many employees and was signed by thousands demanding to know why the pilots were getting so much more then the other employees and why they were not getting equal raises. I saw a copy that described the pilots as the chosen ones! This same phrase was on the flight attendant call in minutes. The head of inflight did a very poor job of responding sadly.

She could have pointed out the terminated retirement and larger pay cuts we took but did not.
We as pilots don't live in a vacuum regardless of what some would like to think. Everything in a business is related and tied together. Why do you think management goes to such great lengths to hide their own perks and raises. It all has a impact.

Originally Posted by fisherpilot (Post 1375221)

Good to know. I pretty much like any ipa. I like to try them all but really like sierra nevada, lagunitas, and sweetwater

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1375210)

We as pilots don't live in a vacuum regardless of what some would like to think. Everything in a business is related and tied together. Why do you think management goes to such great lengths to hide their own perks and raises. It all has a impact.

Originally Posted by cni187 (Post 1375228)

Sierra Nevada of course, ESP their Ruthless Rye. Sweetwater is really good! If you really want a hoptastic voyage try the Torpedo Ale by Sierra Nevada! O'Conner brewing company in Norfolk Va has a dark IpA which is awesome. I had it on tap in the Hampton Va hotel.

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1375210)

We as pilots don't live in a vacuum regardless of what some would like to think. Everything in a business is related and tied together. Why do you think management goes to such great lengths to hide their own perks and raises. It all has a impact.

Originally Posted by Express pilot (Post 1375196)

So go down something.
I say they work late and its out at 1730.

Originally Posted by fisherpilot (Post 1375231)

I should have said torpedo. Thats my go to. If u end up out west try a "Green Flash" good stuff! I will have to try this O'Conner. I was based in KORF back in my regional days. Couldnt afford good beer then. I'll check with local liquor store. They are pretty good about stocking good brews

Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1375229)

I think we should be mortified that "our" union not only admits that our compensation is tied to the FAs' compensation, but actually seems to condone the notion.

Tying our compensation to the FAs' is as ludicrous as tying it to the CEO's pay. Apples and oranges.

Yet another example of ALPA's blind devotion to the company's agenda--at the expense of Delta pilots' best interests.

ALPA's first and only concern should be improving our pay/benefits/QOL. They shouldn't need to waste a dime of our money or a second of our time trying to justify why they are unwilling/unable to do so.

Originally Posted by iaflyer (Post 1375233)

I understand your point, but if Richard was getting a raise, and ALPA went to management and said the same thing - "you know Richard, we are all getting a 3% pay raise next year plus 1% DC, we think for the good of the company there should be a company policy that management should only get the same percentage. And if you're stock option pay say, 10%, you should get no pay raise because you got your compensation some other way".

hey would reject that in a second. Management would say, "we need to pay management high dollar so we attract and retain top personnel".

The "Me too" line only works because ALPA allows it to work. We do not do the same job as FAs and should not necessarily get paid the same way.

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1375249)

Can you produce anything to back up your statements above from the union.