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80ktsClamp 03-19-2013 10:46 AM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1375082)
Looks like icrew is down. With such a technologically advanced system, it's hard to imagine it could be down. :D

Is the bid award out yet? :D

What's worse is that I couldn't log in, and the first thing I did was come over here to see if anyone else was having the same issue.

cni187 03-19-2013 10:47 AM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1375095)
Is the bid award out yet? :D

What's worse is that I couldn't log in, and the first thing I did was come over here to see if anyone else was having the same issue.

This is online Mecca to some.

Columbia 03-19-2013 10:48 AM


Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 1374930)
you're not in until you're in and you weren't in.

that's what she said.

cni187 03-19-2013 10:55 AM

Icrew back up, AE still closed.

UncleSam 03-19-2013 11:01 AM

Insructors
 

Originally Posted by p3flteng (Post 1374956)
That maybe true, but that doesn't make it right. First of all I have an issue with any FO, myself included, being an instructor. Just another way the company is taking away money and Capt seats. I get it is cheaper for an AQ FO than a LCA, but that is still, IMHO, a Capt seat that someone should be able to upgrade into, in SENIORITY ORDER. You mean to tell me in all the categories we don't have enough qualified pilots to be instructors, that we have to go outside of the seniority system to get a good instructor? Or is it that it would put an end to the Good ol Boy system?

I believe it should go one step further, Every Instructor should come from our active Seniority List. That has nothing to do with the quality of what we have, cause its good, it has everything to do with us continually giving jobs back and being stagnant.

Usually it is difficult to get a Capt on the 777 to be willing to instruct since the pay for instructors tops out at ER pay, I think. Until a year ago or so, the senior 777 A instructor could only hold 777B about mid-seniority. It has always been that way for the WB instructors. Maybe the N system worked differently and would be a better option.

Xray678 03-19-2013 11:03 AM


Originally Posted by p3flteng (Post 1374936)
That is true, I think there are a great deal of decent guys that would be instructors in each category.
I find it is total BS that this guy is holding this seat OUT of seniority. I checked the Seniority list and he is shown as INS744B...nearly every pilot around him is holding the ER or smaller. A clear abrogation of our seniority system. If I was senior to him and had a bid in for that seat as a PMN guy I would seriously consider filing a grievance.

what would your grievance be? I don't think they count against the staffing, so it's not like a junior sim instructor prevented you or anyone from being awarded that category.

iceman49 03-19-2013 11:07 AM


Originally Posted by UncleSam (Post 1375111)
Usually it is difficult to get a Capt on the 777 to be willing to instruct since the pay for instructors tops out at ER pay, I think. Until a year ago or so, the senior 777 A instructor could only hold 777B about mid-seniority. It has always been that way for the WB instructors. Maybe the N system worked differently and would be a better option.

Under the North system you had to be a seniority based pilot to teach in the sim, you had to be able to hold the aircraft you were teaching on. Pay was 80 hrs per month, with 2 additional periods available, the pay was not what you could hold but rather what you were flying. If the instructor did not live in base a hotel was provided, and you moved up a notch on the pass riding.

Only captains performed checkrides, sim instructors also did OE.

iceman49 03-19-2013 11:10 AM


Originally Posted by Xray678 (Post 1375112)
what would your grievance be? I don't think they count against the staffing, so it's not like a junior sim instructor prevented you or anyone from being awarded that category.

How does the inst that cannot hold the position remain current, and when they fly are they payed at the lower rate that they can hold or at the rate the aircraft is paid at?

Flamer 03-19-2013 11:15 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1374997)
Holding pay is like 8 dollars an hour. They only get it on delays over 1 hour. They had their pension frozen and then for several years got no pension contribution at all. Our pension was converted and we were getting DC money from the day the pension was frozen.
In the end relative to what the industry pays we are better compensated then the flight attendants by a nice margin.

Man, you never stop do you?

p3flteng 03-19-2013 11:17 AM


Originally Posted by UncleSam (Post 1375111)
Usually it is difficult to get a Capt on the 777 to be willing to instruct since the pay for instructors tops out at ER pay, I think. Until a year ago or so, the senior 777 A instructor could only hold 777B about mid-seniority. It has always been that way for the WB instructors. Maybe the N system worked differently and would be a better option.

I must be the only one who thinks it is wrong if this is the way its been done in the past. I stand by my argument though, I still believe it is an abrogation of seniority. It is Delta getting the job done cheaper by a AQFO, A small portion of the LCA have been outsourced to a lower bidder.


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