Scoop,

Close. I was saying that I believe the company has to bargain with the union if it wants to verify.

Much in the same way that the company cannot ask you why you are calling in sick, I believe the union can negotiate that the company cannot investigate or verify MIL LV. I'm not saying that DALPA has done this or would want to, but they can.

It all has to do with the National Labor Relations Act and what is called mandatory subjects of bargaining. In this case, I believe they would violate NLRA §8(a)(5), which imposes a duty to bargain in good faith over wages, hours, and terms and conditions of employment.

Related to the required bargaining of terms and conditions of employment is employee discipline and grievance procedures, which are also considered to be a mandatory bagaining items.

Using the above mentioned sick call issue as an example. I believe that the possibility that the company could use the information that you submitted as a reason for calling in sick against you for disciplinary actioin made it a required negotiated policy. Up until the end of last year, the NWA schedulers did not have this restriction and were required to ask us why were were calling in sick.

So, I was not saying that I or anyone would want to advocate the abuse of ML. I was just saying that the company has to negotiate certian practices and investigations with the union at least to an impasse. I have no logic on that issue, thats just the way it is. :D


New K Now

Did the LAX CP have any SA about what was going on in NYC? Plussing up either the MD88 or 73N? ER displace? 777?

Just because DCI is shrinking does not mean that we should drop our resolve to restore scope. Stating that it would take too much capital to regain what is lost my be true, but to admit defeat prior to the battle is just foolish.
If the company is parting with said flying on their own, they will be that much more likely to give it up in contract talks.

A win any win is worth it to us.
How about this, The company has publicly stated, as recent as yesterdays DTW base visit that they are happy with the amount of 76 seat jets they have and do not see ordering anymore. Well if that is the case, scope it to their current number of jets (153). To me that would be a win. Then take it one step farther and scope 70 seat jets to their current limit (with the provision that they can not replace these jets with new ones, just the current ones in service), and then for the true victory. Demand that in section 1:
All additional flying performed by the DAL brand will be performed by DAL pilots. What this does is forever limits unintended DCI growth. It is inclusive scope and in effect turns the tide in the war.
To my MEC and the members on this board, Are you taking notes?

Made it to the DTW base meeting yesterday...

some observations:

-Dickson ran the show, Hahn, Graham, network guy, all local CP's, all new asst. CP's, plenty of other color ties there.
-about 50 line guys at any one time, a few north guys..warm welcomes all

-usual presentation about great cooperation from pilots on integration, overview of timelines, finances, industry, etc. (All that has been covered here or published)

-long term outlook and goals; flat thru next summer, then ???
-no furloughs planned thru next summer, don't even have the bodies in the right places to do it (ie MD-88, DC-9), plus costs


-revenue down ugly, but stabilizing, percentages same as has been made public
-costs are starting to come down from integration, but real savings 6 months out at minimum


-only concrete base/fleet decison= 319/320's to SLC; MD-90's to MSP
-More MD-90's as they come available/financing there...look for batches of 3-5 over the next 5 years.
-DC-9-50's here for a while/-40's a little less so/-30's even less...but all dependent on gas $$/demand. It is our "flex fleet"

-767 domestic will see the most drawdown...South AE in August will have ~90 displacements overall...767 catagories moving to ER over time (?)
-757DTW will be a new catagory initially: 755DTW...same kind of flying worldwide until 767 stuff is introduced slowly

-cross jumpseating will be fully impemented by 8/23? or maybe not. IT issues.
-lots of talk of North bid period 5 implimentation...d


-LAX-SYD route having birthing pains..cargo over pax left at gate...non-rev on this one at your own risk. Market is saturated right now..no way to a 747-400.

-lots of talk informally from network/revenue guys on flexibility of new fleets in new places..(ie 319/320 in SLC). mostly vague, but interesting.


got go make report,

more later if I can remember.

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Unless they have a change of heart, it is not going to be that bid of a bid. They are just going to be dealing with a surplus of 100 767 positions and a few AE positions. The mother of all bids will be coming next year. Even then it will not be a big bang, but more like a steady flow. (Multiple AE's to put airplanes and pilots where they need to be.) Lots of maybes are out there. If anyone of them comes to fruition, the entire game plan changes.

Thanks for going and taking notes - I had to commute to JFK on the 10am flight, so couldn't make the meeting.

Did the 757DTW base sound like it was coming on the August AE or further down the road?

Thanks for the report Garcia.

Slowplay, my friend, it's a matter of perspective..... I'm looking at it from the eyes of a 2000 hire, in the day of 727's, 737-200's & 300's and a few RJs..... I know we could go around and around about this, but you know that at the end of the day, in your eyes, you'll always be right.

It's always hard to see things from someone else's perspective.

In the mean time, I'm just going to fly the line, enjoy my life and wait for the MOAB's (Mother of All Bid's)

Respectfully,

TC

It's time for Lee to go!

Heyas Bar,

Gonna be some interesting developments in 20 this fall, also.

Almost all of the guys who have a chance of winning are scope hawks. Those who aren't are no fans of LM, so....

Nu

Good post.

The point of good scope is to protect OUR jobs, not ensure that others lose theirs to spread the pain around.

Our MEC is dead set against scope restoration. My understanding is that LM is concerned that some "single issue" guy will win and break up the "vote by acclimation" culture on outsourcing our jobs. First of all, I resent the implication that scope hawks are simple minded "single issue" dolts who fail to understand why "outsourcing is good."

In contrast this "outsourcing is good" policy is extremely short sighted. If anyone is a "single issue" person, it is those folks who are willing to negotiate away another person's job to try to benefit theirs for the last ten years before they retire. That person's "single issue" is their own self interest.

LM should be leading the campaign to take scope back and in doing so reinforcing and preserving our negotiating power going forward.

Bottom line - the questions of DC9's and 5500 series 757 retirements have not been answered. I'm with ACL, if the enemy abandons high ground, move our troops in and strengthen positions. There will be more attempts to run our scope blockade.