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Dude, give them a break. They just bought/merged with NW. They have to figure out how to oust all that flying ala Western, PanAm. Yuck, a SEA base Bubba sayz...

ExAF	08-05-2009 09:57 AM

Perspective

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Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 656673)

You do realize that by the end of next year DCI/Airlink will have shrunk 25% from its combined peak number of aircraft, right? And that there will be over 600 DCI pilots on furlough by the end of September? (360 plus CMR, 136 ASA, 110 MAH plus others from Mesa/RAH not directly attributable to DCI)

Kind of like the unprecedented regional airline growth post 9/11 while mainline was cutting and furloughing. Been there, done that. The pendulum swings again.

Hawaii50

08-05-2009 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 656673)

While I hate to see anyone lose their job, I'll argue that many (most) of those affected have their job because of the sheer number of jobs transferred from mainline to the contractors. Let's get them more jobs here instead. Overall the company would be much better off if all DL flying was done by DL employees. Costs are not the only factor involved. If I'm a SkyWest employee do I really care about DL passengers? Do I even know sometimes if I'm flying DL or United pax? Unfortunately cost is usually the only thing management sees.

DAL4EVER

08-05-2009 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 656673)

While not trying to slight the individual hardships of the affected furlough guys at DCI, those numbers still pale to our post 9/11 height of 1365 furloughees here while they grew their lists by the thousands.

Again, look at our losses for this quarter and I bet they would like to see those pesky guaranteed profit contracts gone. To bad they signed 10 year deals with those carriers. An iron clad scope section could have possibly helped out the powers that be by preventing the very signing of these contracts.

acl65pilot

08-05-2009 10:55 AM

Also, we need to do this now when there is a management team in place that sees a limited role for the RJ. Do we really want to fight this when we get a Leo-esque leader back at the helm?

DAL4EVER

08-05-2009 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 656764)

Also, we need to do this now when there is a management team in place that sees a limited role for the RJ. Do we really want to fight this when we get a Leo-esque leader back at the helm?

My thoughts exactly!

Sawdog

08-05-2009 11:01 AM

I commute through DTW all the time, and frequently get asked how I like Richard Anderson by the gate agents? They keep telling me to watch out for his true colors when the merger is complete. It seems as if they all think we are going to get screwed by him. What bad blood does he have with NWA and should we be concerned?

DAL4EVER

08-05-2009 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Sawdog (Post 656768)

Richard was the good cop. It was Steenland who was the bad cop back in the day.

Nosmo King

08-05-2009 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 656573)

Sailing:

Since officially the represented members of this organization are told nothing about the representations being made on the members' behalf, we know nothing about what happens behind closed doors until after the fact.

I'm not pleased that negotiations are routinely entered into without polling, or communications.

We have elections this fall. I think some good guys have an excellent chance of winning. Based on their prior work in C44 to get some good resolutions passed, I'm hopeful they'll provide a little pressure on the rudder to turn this great ship ALPA around on outsourcing our work.

As far as I can tell, this is the way it has been at DALPA for quite some time and is apparently not going to change with the current administration. C44 would almost certainly be a must for supporting change to the current methods.

Nosmo King

08-05-2009 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 656744)

Our MEC is dead set against scope restoration. My understanding is that LM is concerned that some "single issue" guy will win and break up the "vote by acclimation" culture on outsourcing our jobs.

Bottom line - the questions of DC9's and 5500 series 757 retirements have not been answered. I'm with ACL, if the enemy abandons high ground, move our troops in and strengthen positions. There will be more attempts to run our scope blockade.

The "vote by acclamation" culture is also why DALPA business is done in smoke filled rooms, behind closed doors. My personal opinion is that it would have sent a much better message if outsourcing fails, regardless of by how many votes. Next best would be that even if it passes, a recorded vote is published showing LOTS of dissent by some of the MEC. That would also send a strong message to the company. A vote by acclamation is supposed to be a smokescreen intended for management, but ends up obscuring everything from the people being represented.

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