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Originally Posted by Ferd149
(Post 600504)
Let me guess, and we will do it with an RJ vs a SWA 737. That has worked so well in the past with CO and American. (yes, I know SWA doesn't go to MEM)
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Originally Posted by Ferd149
(Post 600504)
Let me guess, and we will do it with an RJ vs a SWA 737. That has worked so well in the past with CO and American. (yes, I know SWA doesn't go to MEM)
**Flights operated by Delta Connection carrier Pinnacle Airlines using 50-seat Bombardier CRJ200 regional jets. It's always the small print. Like that have something to hide. ;) |
Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 600555)
I spoke with a good source on basing. Pilots keep confusing a aircraft flying a route with where it is based. For the moment there are no plans to open a DC-9 pilot base in Atlanta. The aircraft is not projected to be in the fleet long enough to make it cost out. There will be lots of nines flying through ATL but they will originate in the Delta N bases. This of course can change on a moments notice but that is the current plan.
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Originally Posted by RockyBoy
(Post 600566)
I keep hearing that is also the plan with the MD90's and MSP for the next two years. The MD90's are doing the MSP-JFK turns in May and alot of the ATL-MSP turns. A few of the rotations have deadheads into and out of MSP at the front and back. It all depends on the hotel costs and the number of deadheads to make the flights work. When those costs are no longer break-even, then the bases will be moved. Nobody is looking out for the impact on our quality of life, they are looking at costs and costs only.
Correct, but over time those costs outweigh the price of paying for our moves. Sailing points out that they are not planning a base down here. Well that may be true, but it goes against the thinking that our VP of Ops was saying at a few of these town hall meetings. I will note as I have before, it does appear that there are some differing opinions on basing and aircraft route utilization depending on if you talk to the guys that head up flight ops, the route management guys, and then the crew planners. In effect a fluid situation. It is a lot easier to transition domestic fleets and bases over time whereas it is more costly to do it with international crews. |
Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 600555)
I spoke with a good source on basing. Pilots keep confusing a aircraft flying a route with where it is based. For the moment there are no plans to open a DC-9 pilot base in Atlanta. The aircraft is not projected to be in the fleet long enough to make it cost out. There will be lots of nines flying through ATL but they will originate in the Delta N bases. This of course can change on a moments notice but that is the current plan.
What were you told? I was told early 2013 at the latest a few months ago. Haven't checked since then. |
Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 600553)
Southwest is not permitted to fly to TN because of the Wright Amendment. It does not apply to aircraft with less then 56 seats.
Do you mean just MEM? Because WN is in & out of Nashville quite a bit. |
Originally Posted by acl65pilot
(Post 600592)
Correct, but over time those costs outweigh the price of paying for our moves.
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 600555)
I spoke with a good source on basing. Pilots keep confusing a aircraft flying a route with where it is based. For the moment there are no plans to open a DC-9 pilot base in Atlanta. The aircraft is not projected to be in the fleet long enough to make it cost out. There will be lots of nines flying through ATL but they will originate in the Delta N bases. This of course can change on a moments notice but that is the current plan.
Is it just the 30's & 40's, or are we talking all of them? Also, will management be able to use the MD90's as "growth airplanes" solely to increase the total amount of RJ's then just park mainline planes? Or does our agreement prevent that? |
Originally Posted by tsquare
(Post 600733)
I have watched for several years now a TON of Atlanta 7ER crews laying over in NYC while doing 6 day trips to destinations that we also serve (obviously) out of JFK. If what you say is true, it would seem to me that they would have increased the staffing in NY, and done the opposite routing, because I am pretty sure that hotel rooms in ATL are just a little bit cheaper than Manhattan... but I am sure it is a big picture kinda thing.. :D
It sure annoys us in the base to have a large number of reserves but having another base come in and fly trips out of our base. |
Originally Posted by tsquare
(Post 600733)
Interesting. Any ball park idea just how long it takes for the bean counters to come to this conclusion? I have watched for several years now a TON of Atlanta 7ER crews laying over in NYC while doing 6 day trips to destinations that we also serve (obviously) out of JFK. If what you say is true, it would seem to me that they would have increased the staffing in NY, and done the opposite routing, because I am pretty sure that hotel rooms in ATL are just a little bit cheaper than Manhattan... but I am sure it is a big picture kinda thing.. :D
It also has to do with seasonal staffing v/s year long staffing. You see a lot more crews from ATL in NYC in the summer months. And as you know sometimes you can not explain why scheduling does what they do :) |
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