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Originally Posted by capncrunch (Post 618429)

There is always a way.

They have a dedicated team of lawyers finding holes in our contract every which way from Sunday. We have a bunch of fat ALPA blowhards with mustaches who eat rib eye steaks and drink expensive wine on our dues who always cave in on scope and represent the regionals better than mainline.

If management want to furlough, we'll get furloughed.

The only way to start to win is drop ALPA and start an in-house union whos focus is DELTA mainline and DELTA mainline only. Not the regionals, its a major conflict of interest.

I second the motion with exception of the in house union. The way ALPA is structured, you are supposed to get the benifits of an in house union with the power of scale of large organization.

With that said, we need to take back the union. Mother DALPA does not know best and it's OUR fault for letting it happen. I'm as guilty as sin also.

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Originally Posted by Tomcat (Post 618660)

...maybe go to the Paris airshow and see what's out there!!!!

O.K. I feel better now!:D

I'd love to go if Delta will pay for it. I'll take good notes and give a comprehensive briefing at the end.

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Originally Posted by Free Bird (Post 618918)

What's going on at United needs to be watched very, very, carefully.

Everyone needs to support the Scope Report card coming up! Educating the group will help.

Ah Free Bird, the 1.95% dues plus this and that assesment needs to take action now and not "watch."

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Originally Posted by Tomcat (Post 618928)

This is where I become disenchanted with ALPA. In a perfect world, ALPA would be setting the standard for the professional pilot; pay, scope, retirement, medical, disability, training, safety, etc.

"where's the beef"?

You just got to look past the thorn to see the rose.

I didn't vote for Obama or want to get displaced from CA to FO. But with the greatly reduced income it looks good to get my mortgage knocked down about $1,000/month :cool:

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Originally Posted by dragon (Post 619063)

Don't think ATL can hold a candle to JFK. Wouldn't it be easier, if they listed the stuff that worked instead??:eek:

Or add a line that said "numerous taxiway lights and markings inop."

The one I like is the "temp" notice in LGA about the White stone Climb starting at 2.9 sans 2.5. It has been in there for five years.
Now they finally state that they are going to be moving the VOR back......
Wonder how long that one will take.

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Originally Posted by remlap (Post 618400)

I ask myself why would a DAL-N guy want to go? Here are the reasons that might be explored. To avoid training on another aircraft, tired, disgusted, or lazy.

I ask myself why would a DAL-N guy want to stay? He's top of the heap. The big Kahuna. With PBS he gets whatever trip he wants on the days he wants. His life is pretty dog gone good. He can drop whatever he doesn't want and somebody will pick it up. Half pay, full medical. Or, he could go out on disability. There are lots of ways to lose your medical when you are 60+ and still get a paycheck.

One thing management rarely factors in is the size of the ego. It's just like the senior F/A's, you can't make them miserable enough to quit because of their seniority. It's pretty good to be on top. Pilots just won't quit. They pretty much have to die to leave or be forced into retirement.

In my estimation, very few will take this offer. There just isn't enough in it.
I wouldn't take it and I can't come up with enough reasons for anyone else to take it.

We know that the Co is targeting the Dal-N guys. The pkg is what it is and us jr guys would like to have it been better to entice more guys to leave but its all we have. There were still about five guys leaving a month (thats how many #'s I move up on the list) without the buyout. Mil guys are familiar with the term "working for half pay" when it comes to guys who have reached their retirement eligibility. So basically anyone who was planning on retiring in the next 18 mos would be working for half pay as they get 9 mos up-front. Maybe even less depending if they get their pensions. I do not know any specifics on the N pension but it could play a factor if they can start rx payouts or cashouts from the fund then they may be working for 25%pay. I'll guestimate that 100 guys take it. That's about the 5 guys that have been leaving a month for the next 18 months. Rumor has it that the co is looking for 300.

I can tell you that the decision to retire early is not easy, even when it looks like a "no-brainer" to someone not facing the choice. Sometimes one little thing can tip the balance, especially if sticking around will require a base or equipment change. The PERP offer may be modest, but some senior guys could have been waiting for just such an excuse. Perhaps they foresaw some kind of incentive coming and didn't want to miss out on it, no matter how small. Fear of kicking oneself later is a powerful argument for delaying a close decision as long as possible.

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Originally Posted by tomgoodman (Post 619506)

Great point Tom. There may be quite a few Whale CA's that are not interested in another initial training cycle for a new airplane. Perhaps the resulting displacements may also entice someone on the fence, or someone on the bottom of the CA's list on another airplane facing displacements.

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Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 619553)

I spoke with a few Capts in ANC that are looking to leave as long as there was some incentive. The initial in an airbus and the chance some/maybe all will be moved from Seattle was a huge factor in their decision. I don't think it will be a ton of guys...just a guestimate though.