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Old 12-08-2012, 07:35 AM
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Originally Posted by JungleBus
I think ya'll are on the same page, george. He's just saying, if it's going to be outsourced, he'd rather it not be a superior product the passengers love. I agree, the more complaints about DCI that DAL gets, the better for DAL pilots. It's one reason I felt the 50-for-76 swap in the TA was a sucker's deal, regardless of it slightly reducing overall seats at DCI. It increased the economically viable, passenger-desirable seats at DCI.
A 25% reduction in block hours is a "slight reduction"? The guys who voted yes are "suckers "? I can see you are going to be well liked when get the chance to flow over.......
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Old 12-08-2012, 08:00 AM
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No worries. My daughter started getting up at 3:30 this last week and proceeds to wake up her brother...FUN!

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Hi George! I don't have to worry about that any more, my youngest started a WSU this last fall. No, I don't have to worry anymore, he just broke his left arm (he's lefthanded like dad) the week before finals!! Well I should say his karate instructor broke it.... So I get to fly over to Pullman and drive him back on either thursday or friday. Whoopee!!

Oh yeah might has well throw this in too! I start my 6th, yes 6th, day of shortcall at 1500 today, the 8th of Dec..... That's with returning from a trip on the first and 24 hours off given by CS.... :^)

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Old 12-08-2012, 08:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Rather B Fishin
A 25% reduction in block hours is a "slight reduction"? The guys who voted yes are "suckers "? I can see you are going to be well liked when get the chance to flow over.......
I suspect he will "shut up and color" for a year or so.......

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Old 12-08-2012, 08:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Denny Crane
I suspect he will "shut up and color" for a year or so.......

Denny
A couple of the flows didn't get the message last time. All depends on the individual.
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Old 12-08-2012, 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
There are several living in Europe. It can certainly be done. You have to get a Long term stay visa which depending on the country could be difficult. There is also the tax issue. You will not be able to claim expatriot status and will owe all US federal income taxes. You might also be taxed in the new country. Do you research carefully and keep in mind the commuting expenses which are not tax deductible. The UK can get very expensive in that regard.
You can be taxed by your country of origin if you elect to, in certain industries. Ours is one of those.

But there is also the new FTDT rules to consider. If you can't back up int'l trips in 2014, it might change the entire equation.

Good luck!
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Old 12-08-2012, 08:19 AM
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Hey Denny,

Shouldn't you be studying young man!!

When do you start school? Jan?
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Old 12-08-2012, 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Sink r8
You can be taxed by your country of origin if you elect to, in certain industries. Ours is one of those.

But there is also the new FTDT rules to consider. If you can't back up int'l trips in 2014, it might change the entire equation.

Good luck!
That is incorrect, I researched this quite a bit and spoke with tax professionals several years ago because I considered living outside the US for a bit. You are confusing state tax law. Federal tax law allows expatriate tax status only on income earned outside the US. A TWA pilot living in the Bahamas flying international took the issue all the way through the court system. The IRS maintained that you are taxed based on your domicile being the place of earnings. The IRS rule was backed by the court system. If you are based in NYC all income is considered earned in the US and you owe full income tax on that money.
If Delta opened a domicile overseas you could then legally claim to be a expatriate however its not likely at the moment we will see that happen. For the moment if your based in the US your taxed in the US regardless of where you reside or the type of flying you do.
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Old 12-08-2012, 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Denny Crane
Hi George! I don't have to worry about that any more, my youngest started a WSU this last fall. No, I don't have to worry anymore, he just broke his left arm (he's lefthanded like dad) the week before finals!! Well I should say his karate instructor broke it.... So I get to fly over to Pullman and drive him back on either thursday or friday. Whoopee!!

Oh yeah might has well throw this in too! I start my 6th, yes 6th, day of shortcall at 1500 today, the 8th of Dec..... That's with returning from a trip on the first and 24 hours off given by CS.... :^)

Denny
Dang it, I thought there was a cutoff age ;-)

You know I sat my first sixth short-call last month also with a 155 RAW, and the other guy had a RAW of 39, 0:00CR and 3 shortcalls.

I think seniority should matter on reserve, but some people doing everything and others hardly lifting a finger isn't exactly how the lineholders roll, so why do that when it comes to reserve?

With the upcoming FTDT changes shortcall is defined as "duty"
With that, it should be possible to argue the contractual ADP of 5:15 applies to that duty-period.

AFAIC shortcall should be in open time with a 5:15 credit.
Scheduling posts the start times and length and anybody can pick it up/yellowslip the shortcall...

That would let seniority really matter on reserve...
And conversely fill up the suckers stuck with it if everybody else had their say.

But flying every day to nearly full AND sitting six shortcalls isn't exactly equitable...

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Old 12-08-2012, 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
That is incorrect, I researched this quite a bit and spoke with tax professionals several years ago because I considered living outside the US for a bit. You are confusing state tax law. Federal tax law allows expatriate tax status only on income earned outside the US. A TWA pilot living in the Bahamas flying international took the issue all the way through the court system. The IRS maintained that you are taxed based on your domicile being the place of earnings. The IRS rule was backed by the court system. If you are based in NYC all income is considered earned in the US and you owe full income tax on that money.
If Delta opened a domicile overseas you could then legally claim to be a expatriate however its not likely at the moment we will see that happen. For the moment if your based in the US your taxed in the US regardless of where you reside or the type of flying you do.
Thanks, but you read my post backwards.

You can be taxed in your country of origin in this industry, not the local taxes. You can be taxed US taxes living in the UK. I wasn't talking about avoiding US taxes. If you want UK taxes, you can pay those, but you still have to file US taxes, and there are treaties dealing with that.
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Old 12-08-2012, 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by georgetg
Dang it, I thought there was a cutoff age ;-)

You know I sat my first sixth short-call last month also with a 155 RAW, and the other guy had a RAW of 39, 0:00CR and 3 shortcalls.

I think seniority should matter on reserve, but some people doing everything and others hardly lifting a finger isn't exactly how the lineholders roll, so why do that when it comes to reserve?

With the upcoming FTDT changes shortcall is defined as "duty"
With that, it should be possible to argue the contractual ADP of 5:15 applies to that duty-period.

AFAIC shortcall should be in open time with a 5:15 credit.
Scheduling posts the start times and length and anybody can pick it up/yellowslip the shortcall...

That would let seniority really matter on reserve...
And conversely fill up the suckers stuck with it if everybody else had their say.

But flying every day to nearly full AND sitting six shortcalls isn't exactly equitable...

Cheers
george
It is a nepharious plot to keep you from compiling data which calls into question the Company's scope compliance ... they are trying to keep you too busy to cause trouble ... expect an LOA on the matter soon (since ALPA and management agree on the matter), which will only apply to you (and now, me )
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