Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
12-21-2012 | 08:33 PM
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12-21-2012 | 08:44 PM
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You guys are terrible. Let's dismount from the high horse and open up our closed minds and look at the facts.
1) We vote to outsource flying
2) It's ok because we get a pay raise
3) Our passengers travel on Pinnacle/Compass/Skywest and 7+ other outsourced carriers and thats ok, if my pay goes up
4) Butttt....... It's not ok if they are a Delta pilot.
5) Half of these guys are getting put on the street due to a manufactured bankruptcy (by us)
6) Mainline pilots are taking nice big pay raises (we should) while guys at the bottom on poverty level wages are taking pay cuts, all while flying in the same system.
Getting off the high horse works pretty well for unity. Who are we to think we are so much better off than another pilot who flies the same passengers on the same tickets.
1) We vote to outsource flying
2) It's ok because we get a pay raise
3) Our passengers travel on Pinnacle/Compass/Skywest and 7+ other outsourced carriers and thats ok, if my pay goes up
4) Butttt....... It's not ok if they are a Delta pilot.
5) Half of these guys are getting put on the street due to a manufactured bankruptcy (by us)
6) Mainline pilots are taking nice big pay raises (we should) while guys at the bottom on poverty level wages are taking pay cuts, all while flying in the same system.
Getting off the high horse works pretty well for unity. Who are we to think we are so much better off than another pilot who flies the same passengers on the same tickets.
12-21-2012 | 09:14 PM
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Guys,
I think we are getting a little bit ahead of ourselves. Most, not all, of the guys who failed the DAL hiring process were able to reapply - this is not a change.
We will still hire former military Pilots - Why do yo think the DCI percentage was set at 35%? As Buzz mentioned the military pool is getting smaller, although I would not say drying up.
Not to come across as liking this whole flow through, because I dont. I definitely don't like a guaranted job, but have no issues with a guaranteed interview. Lets let the dust settle before we march on the village with pitchforks and torches.
Besides, who is to say the Pinnacle guys will even pass their TA?
Scoop
I think we are getting a little bit ahead of ourselves. Most, not all, of the guys who failed the DAL hiring process were able to reapply - this is not a change.
We will still hire former military Pilots - Why do yo think the DCI percentage was set at 35%? As Buzz mentioned the military pool is getting smaller, although I would not say drying up.
Not to come across as liking this whole flow through, because I dont. I definitely don't like a guaranted job, but have no issues with a guaranteed interview. Lets let the dust settle before we march on the village with pitchforks and torches.
Besides, who is to say the Pinnacle guys will even pass their TA?
Scoop
Regardless, I'm glad that they have the screening process and are holding them to the DL requirements. That was my minimum for not going all pitchforks and torches on it.
The DCI 35% quota was done due to the pain that the TA was going to cause at the regionals. That pain has transpired. Now the 9E MEC has gone around DALPA and negotiated this outside of our section 1.
As far as it passing... As a junior FO I could see voting yes due to the impending furlough and benefits for furloughs. As a mid range CA... not a chance. Anyone without a degree has little reason to vote yes either... So, we'll see.
12-21-2012 | 09:33 PM
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You guys are terrible. Let's dismount from the high horse and open up our closed minds and look at the facts.
1) We vote to outsource flying
2) It's ok because we get a pay raise
3) Our passengers travel on Pinnacle/Compass/Skywest and 7+ other outsourced carriers and thats ok, if my pay goes up
4) Butttt....... It's not ok if they are a Delta pilot.
5) Half of these guys are getting put on the street due to a manufactured bankruptcy (by us)
6) Mainline pilots are taking nice big pay raises (we should) while guys at the bottom on poverty level wages are taking pay cuts, all while flying in the same system.
Getting off the high horse works pretty well for unity. Who are we to think we are so much better off than another pilot who flies the same passengers on the same tickets.
1) We vote to outsource flying
2) It's ok because we get a pay raise
3) Our passengers travel on Pinnacle/Compass/Skywest and 7+ other outsourced carriers and thats ok, if my pay goes up
4) Butttt....... It's not ok if they are a Delta pilot.
5) Half of these guys are getting put on the street due to a manufactured bankruptcy (by us)
6) Mainline pilots are taking nice big pay raises (we should) while guys at the bottom on poverty level wages are taking pay cuts, all while flying in the same system.
Getting off the high horse works pretty well for unity. Who are we to think we are so much better off than another pilot who flies the same passengers on the same tickets.
12-21-2012 | 09:37 PM
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From: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler
After reading the bridge agreement, the reality hits.
Another MEC has scoped Delta flying. Another contract for operation of 76 seat jets now preempts the Delta Pilot Working Agreement.
Now if the Delta pilots try to improve our scope below 193 76 seat jets, we would have to get the permission of the Pinnacle pilots to do so.
Another MEC has scoped Delta flying. Another contract for operation of 76 seat jets now preempts the Delta Pilot Working Agreement.
Now if the Delta pilots try to improve our scope below 193 76 seat jets, we would have to get the permission of the Pinnacle pilots to do so.
12-21-2012 | 09:39 PM
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After reading the bridge agreement, the reality hits.
Another MEC has scoped Delta flying. Another contract for operation of 76 seat jets now preempts the Delta Pilot Working Agreement.
Now if the Delta pilots try to improve our scope below 193 76 seat jets, we would have to get the permission of the Pinnacle pilots to do so.
Another MEC has scoped Delta flying. Another contract for operation of 76 seat jets now preempts the Delta Pilot Working Agreement.
Now if the Delta pilots try to improve our scope below 193 76 seat jets, we would have to get the permission of the Pinnacle pilots to do so.
12-21-2012 | 09:50 PM
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12-22-2012 | 12:12 AM
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You guys are terrible. Let's dismount from the high horse and open up our closed minds and look at the facts.
1) We vote to outsource flying
2) It's ok because we get a pay raise
3) Our passengers travel on Pinnacle/Compass/Skywest and 7+ other outsourced carriers and thats ok, if my pay goes up
4) Butttt....... It's not ok if they are a Delta pilot.
5) Half of these guys are getting put on the street due to a manufactured bankruptcy (by us)
6) Mainline pilots are taking nice big pay raises (we should) while guys at the bottom on poverty level wages are taking pay cuts, all while flying in the same system.
Getting off the high horse works pretty well for unity. Who are we to think we are so much better off than another pilot who flies the same passengers on the same tickets.
1) We vote to outsource flying
2) It's ok because we get a pay raise
3) Our passengers travel on Pinnacle/Compass/Skywest and 7+ other outsourced carriers and thats ok, if my pay goes up
4) Butttt....... It's not ok if they are a Delta pilot.
5) Half of these guys are getting put on the street due to a manufactured bankruptcy (by us)
6) Mainline pilots are taking nice big pay raises (we should) while guys at the bottom on poverty level wages are taking pay cuts, all while flying in the same system.
Getting off the high horse works pretty well for unity. Who are we to think we are so much better off than another pilot who flies the same passengers on the same tickets.
TEN
12-22-2012 | 03:45 AM
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You guys are terrible. Let's dismount from the high horse and open up our closed minds and look at the facts.
1) We vote to outsource flying
2) It's ok because we get a pay raise
3) Our passengers travel on Pinnacle/Compass/Skywest and 7+ other outsourced carriers and thats ok, if my pay goes up
4) Butttt....... It's not ok if they are a Delta pilot.
5) Half of these guys are getting put on the street due to a manufactured bankruptcy (by us)
6) Mainline pilots are taking nice big pay raises (we should) while guys at the bottom on poverty level wages are taking pay cuts, all while flying in the same system.
Getting off the high horse works pretty well for unity. Who are we to think we are so much better off than another pilot who flies the same passengers on the same tickets.
1) We vote to outsource flying
2) It's ok because we get a pay raise
3) Our passengers travel on Pinnacle/Compass/Skywest and 7+ other outsourced carriers and thats ok, if my pay goes up
4) Butttt....... It's not ok if they are a Delta pilot.
5) Half of these guys are getting put on the street due to a manufactured bankruptcy (by us)
6) Mainline pilots are taking nice big pay raises (we should) while guys at the bottom on poverty level wages are taking pay cuts, all while flying in the same system.
Getting off the high horse works pretty well for unity. Who are we to think we are so much better off than another pilot who flies the same passengers on the same tickets.
My gripe with flow throughs is merely the fact that they patronize an overworked, underpaid, and overall under appreciated pilot group.
Furthermore, while a flow through will create opportunities for some, it will undoubtedly destroy opportunities for others.
It's like out last TA all over again, a management team is attempting to extract as much negotiationing capital as possible from things they plan on doing already.
In the end of the day it's a numbers game, when you get your time and when the next career door opens for you. A senior captain once told me we are always one bad CEO away from bankruptcy.
Every company has that 5% of pilots we all know should probably not be there, and that includes both DAL and PNCL.
Hope that doesn't sound too high-horsey, and I wish the best for all the pilots at PNCL and would love to see some new guys come in.
(And I could careless where they come from as long as they easy to work with and didn't pay for their job)
12-22-2012 | 04:15 AM
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The DCI 35% quota was done due to the pain that the TA was going to cause at the regionals. That pain has transpired. Now the 9E MEC has gone around DALPA and negotiated this outside of our section 1.
Anyone without a degree has little reason to vote yes either... So, we'll see.
Can you blame the 9E MEC for negotiating what they believe is best for there pilots, especially if mgt came to them with this sweetener? My question is why did we put the 35% in our contract. Was that for our best interest? Have no idea why it's in there.
As far as degrees, those without can pick one up in minimal time/effort these days online. If the flow/interview is important to them personally, they will get it done ASAP.
Just my thoughts.
Merry Christmas to all!
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