Bucking Bar

Very true and if you notice, they keep their fleet guarantee as long as they keep their concessionary wages.

Imapilot2

Bridge pilots only skip, basically getting selected/called for interview. They will do all Day 1 stuff AND possible Day2 stuff if DAL wants to with that pilot. The number Delta has to take is measured each Dec 31. No more bad pilots will get through at any higher rate than without this agreement.

c. Elements of the SSP. Pinnacle pilots who participate in the SSP in seniority order will be exempted from the pilot candidate initial screening process that applies to other Delta pilot candidates. The content and schedule of the SSP may change from time to time subject to Delta’s determination but is anticipated to contain the testing and panel interview elements of Delta’s current “Day 1” pilot selection process, a review of a Pinnacle pilot’s employment and training records and potentially certain elements of Delta’s current “Day 2” interview process.

Imapilot2

This is also big too.

iii. provide full access to Delta to his employment and training records from Pinnacle, Mesaba and/or Colgan Airlines,

This is huge actually, this is not the traditional training history we had to provide, this is full access to "employment and training"

If you were a bad employee there is no way to hide it just by interviewing well.

LNL76

I know an ex-Colgan Captain (Check Airman, actually) who would make a wonderful addition to the DL family. He's professional, mature, great piloting skills (honestly, whenever I flew with him you never knew you landed---he was THAT smooth). He always looked the part and was a stickler for standardization both in flying and personal appearance. His background outside aviation made him someone every crew member wanted to fly with as he always watched out for and protected his crew. I don't think he's an APC'er, but wish him well.

scambo1

I guess he's a cuddler?

scambo1

Bar;

It is clear that this is worthy of an email to the reps. The focus is truly who bargains for whom...Not whether or not a guy paid for training, etc.

There is zero benefit for the DAL pilots here, only downside.

Scoop

NWA,

I really do not understand your post. Most of the outsourcing occurred pre BK and in BK - we as Pilots have been fighting to take it back. DCI guys complain that we give up Scope and then complain even more loudly when we try to take it back. We have fought for pay raises when we gave up Scope and we have fought for pay raises when we took back Scope. Its a safe bet we will fight for pay raises in every TA - regardless of what is going on with Scope.

These guys are taking cuts because they underbid each other. If they want to stop taking cuts they have to start voting down contracts. Until the regional groups realize that they are only as strong as their weakest provider they will always face downward pressure on compensation. Mainline Pilots are not a factor in this.

Additionally - the "Flow" will not create more DAL jobs - it just puts some guys ahead of other guys, other guys I might add that are caught in the same crappy DCI system.

What does being a DAL Pilot have to do with it?? Many of these guys are great guys who are fully qualified to be DAL Pilots, just like many guys in the military, guys flying Corporate, and guys flying at other regional airlines. I think they all should all have to pass the standard DAL hiring process. A guaranteed interview is fine, but in my opinion that is where the preferential treatment ends. That is where they get hired or not, all on their individual merits, not some prearranged backroom deal.

A backroom deal, as Bar has mentioned, that left out our MEC.


I do appreciate your post taking the high road, but I really do not think the DAL guys are looking down at the DCI guys. I also applaud your optimism ala "nice big pay raises" but personally I think it is more like a partial restoration.


Scoop

Bucking Bar

Commander (wife) say's STOP! Let me give her $200, point her towards the mall and get back to work.

LNL76

Hmmm, don't know---but I always got a big bear hug and a kiss whenever I saw him.

gloopy

One way they can significantly limit flows is to run very large classes. With as many fleet types as we have, when hiring picks up that really wouldn't be much of an additional logistical challenge anyway other than maybe eating a couple weeks or even months of training pay for newbies.

Figure 20 CPZ and 9 Mesabas in a class, plus 12 or whatever the deal is for Pinnacle. That alone is 35% DCI for a class of around 120. But run a class of 200, 300, 400 and only take 20/9/12 and the number of flows per capita could be severely limited.

Again, not ideal for the company in some ways, but they can preemptly staff certain categories in such a way and ramp up certain training fleets to quickly absorb larger influxes than in the past. Especially with the new 1 year seat lock. That looks like it could be a huge part of this.

It would cost a bit more to do it that way, but really not that much more if they plan the peaks and valleys out better.

I just don't see classes of 40-50 per month where every single person is a flow from 3 regionals only and no one else ever for years. There is no way, absolutely no way, the company is going to stand for that. Guaranteed.

After dragging it out that way for years, eventually 400 CPZ + 109 Mesaba flows will be on property (less any amount that left pre-flow for other airlines) and we're back to 12 a month from Pinnacle in normal sized classes again.