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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1325458)

They also posted the fate of the 767ATL category. The news was very good. They plan on moving most of not all the flying to the 7ER category. There were lots of rumors on here of mass parkings of 757's this year and that the time on the 767ATL category would simply go away with the category closing. They also said there may be more then the planned 120 new CA's positions posted. Overall the only changes in this memo from the last few months were good ones. We keep the 767 time and may get additional 737 CA's positions. There are going to be a lot of new first time Captains on this bid.

I agree that the ATL 767 flying going to the ATL 7ER is a very good thing. Excellent news.

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Originally Posted by dalad (Post 1325474)

Shhhh, the naysayers think otherwise. The plan is to park only 7-8 757's this year.

Have those been parked yet? Any word on when it's planned?

Sailing and Dalad,

How do you get a sense of positive OR negative from the memo? The big unknown is how many 7ER F/O's they're going to surplus, and they are admittedly overstaffed in the 320 and 88 in that seat as well, and the DC 9 in both seats.

I don't mind being optimistic, and I in fact am generally optimistic, but how do you accomplish that based on this update? Is a pronouncement on the future based on this text, naysayer or cheerleader, not a faith-based exercise?

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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1325478)

It would have to be a resignation, as no furlough bypass people can legally come back.

Thanks. Then Sailing's "we are hiring in effect" is 10 more guys short.

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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1325458)

They also posted the fate of the 767ATL category. The news was very good. They plan on moving most of not all the flying to the 7ER category. There were lots of rumors on here of mass parkings of 757's this year and that the time on the 767ATL category would simply go away with the category closing. They also said there may be more then the planned 120 new CA's positions posted. Overall the only changes in this memo from the last few months were good ones. We keep the 767 time and may get additional 737 CA's positions. There are going to be a lot of new first time Captains on this bid.

Well I should hope so, but I tend to think Clamp is on to something - "Overstaffed" seems to describe most categories.

So what was potentially going to finally start the movement as a very, very positive bid may be mitigated by the tons of displacements that the memo mentions. :rolleyes:

If for instance, a lot of the surplus 7ER FOs take up a lot of the 717 Captain spots, the bottom guys may not see that much upward movement at all, yet again. So this bid in which we were all hoping for great thing gets pushed to a more "neutral" status, and we are once again treading water.

I am hoping for the best. but I don't see this memo as positive at all.

Scoop

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Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1325479)

I agree that the ATL 767 flying going to the ATL 7ER is a very good thing. Excellent news.

I am sorry, but it says "majority" of time.

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We have conducted some simulation runs and believe that the majority of the ATL-767 domestic flying will move to the ATL-7ER category.

I don't mean to drag anyone down, but 50.1% would be called a "majority", wouldn't it?

Just wait and see, I guess.

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Originally Posted by Scoop (Post 1325486)

Well I should hope so, but I tend to think Clamp is on to something - "Overstaffed" seems to describe most categories.

So what was potentially going to finally start the movement as a very, very positive bid may be mitigated by the tons of displacements that the memo mentions. :rolleyes:

If for instance, a lot of the displaced 7ER FOs take up a lot of the 717 Captain spots, the bottom guys may not see that much upward movement at all, yet again. So this bid in which we were all hoping for great thing gets pushed to a more "neutral" status, and we are once again treading water.

I am hoping for the best. but I don't see this memo as positive at all.

Scoop

Overstaffed applied to copilot positions. A lot of copilots will move up to Captain on this bid. There will be fewer overall copilots but its better to move the surpluses to Captains seats then the street. Surpluses are always carried by the company in the lower paid seats for obvious reasons.

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Originally Posted by Sink r8 (Post 1325476)

I find it interesting that we're being told more and more frequently what we need to bid. If I understand correctly, anyone that bids the 717 from the 9 is just not a team player.

And yet, it's a 365-day bid.

Who's telling you what you have to bid? Your wife?

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Originally Posted by Lifeisgood (Post 1325493)

I am sorry, but it says "majority" of time.

I don't mean to drag anyone down, but 50.1% would be called a "majority", wouldn't it?

Just wait and see, I guess.

Would you prefer the time disappear altogether? Plus, we already know that 737-900ERs will take some 757/767 flying. Therefore not 100% of the block hours will be transferred to ATL 7ER. Which we already knew.

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Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1325481)

Have those been parked yet? Any word on when it's planned?

They were supposed to leave the fleet at the end of 2012. I haven't seen anything one way or the other.