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Originally Posted by bigdaddie (Post 658326)

If someone would just buy those folks in ATL a map that goes west of the rockies...

West of SLC, their current map has an old sailing ship falling off the edge of the world.

The Ptolemaic view of ATL needs a Copernican update.

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Originally Posted by Superpilot92 (Post 658299)

thats what i've been hearing also. With the pirps, LTD, and new RIGS kicking in we are looking good on the North side. (even with the -200 closure) Next summer we should be sitting pretty good assuming things dont get worse. The Company should have furloughed last year but didnt because of the merger. So far we've made it over the hump, even the pessimists believe the recovery is here (flat) but certainly within the 22 month breakeven point on furlough costs. Combine that with the fact that we're approaching 2 years into the age 65 change and we should start seeing guys drop off within that period of time as well. The merger has likely saved alot of peoples bacon, mine included. ;)

The Glass Is Still Half Full :D

I see the glass the same way... but speaking of PRIPS/PIRPS: have you noticed that only two come form the ANC B747 A? Seems like they failed to reach their target audience. I don't think it matters much, since enough people left in other categories that a bump-and-flush still looks avoidable. But then again, I don't look at the N category lists much. Have you guys already run a bid (APA, I think you call it?) that accounts for ANC?

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Originally Posted by Sink r8 (Post 658348)

That one just closed on the 5th and will be out on the 20th with an effective date for December.

Sink,

Most of the A's in Delta lingo are former redbook 83-85 hires and are between 54-58 or so. Most will have a lump sum due at 60. If they were to go now that lump sum would be paid out monthly, thus relying on the company not to go bankrupt again. I think with a uptick in the stock market, thus 401ks you will see these guys go at 60. I have not seen the names on the prip but my guess is the bulk came from former green 77-79 hires. Most were not WB capts during the good pay years thus no lump sum.

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Originally Posted by Sink r8 (Post 658348)

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Originally Posted by alfaromeo (Post 657508)

4. Establish a comprehensive flow up/flow down arrangement
....
9. Drink lots of beer

The flow down at US Air was grieved and litigated. The result harmed US Air mainline pilots and ultimately ALPA lost thousands of members in the resulting disaster.

Now the United pilots are noticing their flow down is not working either and have filed a grievance.

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Rumor: What happened to the jet for jobs clause in our contract? I was under the impression that when we agreed to the 70 seat RJs, furloughed pilots would flow into the right seat at second year pay if the UA express carrier were hiring. During the first furlough in 2001 we had this provision. What has changed during this round of furloughs?

Truth: What you are referring to is LOA 03-22 “Job Opportunities for Furloughed United Pilots” which provides job opportunities based on deliveries of "qualifying aircraft" and is not a really a "flow back". As stated in an earlier Straight and Level, GoJet is the only Express carrier hiring pilots, and as of 3 August 2009 there have been three new hire classes at GoJet that have had furloughed United pilots hired under the terms LOA 03-22. The next available class at GoJet is scheduled for 8 September 2009 and will be filled based on FCOL preferences submitted as of 4 August 2009. Further information concerning LOA 03-22 is available on the "Jobs" page under the "Furlough" pull down on the MEC website. The other participating carriers are currently not hiring, Mesa and Shuttle America have both furloughed and SkyWest has offered SPLOA in an attempt to avoid furloughing. Both Shuttle America and SkyWest have continued to take delivery of qualifying aircraft since September 2008. We have met with the company at their request as prescribed under LOA 03-23 "Participating Carrier Meet and Discuss" concerning Shuttle America's and SkyWest's non-compliance and after several meetings we have come to an impasse. A grievance has been filed concerning the non-compliance under LOA 03-22 by the company as well as Shuttle America and SkyWest.

Our MEC's scope vision of chutes and ladders has a history of failure. It is bad policy. It is no substitute for unity.

We must get Compass on the list at the first opportunity. Capture the E175's. Flow up/down needs to be made inviolate with seniority numbers. Do it before Delta pilots flow down.

Opportunities that have been squandered thus far:

Negotiations with management when management had mergers on its mind
JPWA
Scope grievance settlement

Next opportunity is likely to be the execution of the flow.

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Originally Posted by sailingfun View Post
Your 5 years on the street was largely due to a change in pilot work rules at Delta not RJ's. Total pilot block hours with the shift to international were the same in June of 09 as the time frame prior to LOA 46.

Fact is DCI hired more pilots than Delta furloughed. No Delta pilot should have been on the street.

Quick question, if I have one week of vacation in September, then as I read the table for prorated x-days I should get another 9 x-days outside of vacation. Does that sound about right? Mind you I am on reserve.

you may resume the general discussion after answering my question, thanks:)

If that's what the table says, 14 days total. Enjoy.

Sorry to beat the scope drum so much. I don't enjoy it, but it is important.

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Originally Posted by TheWagman (Post 658365)

That one just closed on the 5th and will be out on the 20th with an effective date for December.

Thanks. I imagine that in a couple of weeks both sides will have bodies in about the right place, for today's flying. So Delta will close the door on massive displacements. Post SOC, I would guess they'll try to turn on new bases relatively slowly, while covering the cross-fleet flying with more deadheading. They'll try to get people to new bases with as many AE's, and as few MD's, as possible. They'll open a new (small) category in the new base, but not post any surpluses in the old bases. Then see who bites. Then, maybe put up a small number of surpluses in a clean-up bid.

It's all SOP, except it's never been done with this many categories, and so many pilots not in the best category they can hold.

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Originally Posted by NERD (Post 658380)

Exactly and thats good for us because its a group that will likely be punching out in the near term on top of the pirps. Staffing and retiremens are a big unknown for the company because its not as easy for them to predict who will go and when. Keeps em on their toes which is good ;)