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Yeah, and that was the same for me for the KC-135, T-37 and B-1 that I flew in the Air Force. I've had good luck during the past few weeks with respect to MEL's, but last night we had quite a few.
One year, and I'm aware of that, but if I'm going to rant, I might as well make it good. We stayed one hour in the terminal after all the passengers were off to write down statements and have the police take our contact information...the FBI will investigate this as an inflight disturbance caused by a large, loud-mouthed drunk guy that irritated everyone.
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Its funny if the company intended to do that they would publish false reports in their 10Q ect.. It really makes no sense when you realize that wall street loves capacity constraint. You would think the company would amend the reports to reflect the additional retirements to please wall street.
"This is FTB at Spackler Airlines. Hello everyone on today's investor call. We're serious about capacity discipline and have been able to delivery a unit revenue premium over the past few years to the industry.
We have posted better operating and financial results than anticipated in 2012, We are committed to sustainable and growing profitability for our investors and given our better than expected operating and financial results in 2012, we believe that if we can continue to execute our business plan, and barring an economic downturn or other unanticipated even, we could begin to grow our mainline fleet by 70 airframes over the next five years."
FTB investor call 2013: "Although the economy didn't have a downturn, it didn't have an upturn either and due to multiple unanticipated events, we foresee only a need for 30 more jets at mainline, and that is only a definite maybe. We may not be able to grow at all if we are to sustain our necessary unit revenue premiums."
SEC: "You said you'd grow by 70 airframes in this report back in 2012, now you say 30, you filed a false report, you're all going to jail."
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Couldn't that mean they filed false reports to the SEC when they said they'd only have 49 used MD-90s, not 65?
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One year, and I'm aware of that, but if you're going to rant, you might as well make it good. We stayed one hour in the terminal after all the passengers were off to write down statements and have the police take our contact information...the FBI will investigate this as an inflight disturbance caused by a large, loud-mouthed drunk guy that irritated everyone.
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That kind of MEL on the 88 is not limiting. Not convenient if it knocks you out of CAT III and you need it. Had that happen one time, steady CAT III conditions and we had to go hold with all of the non CAT III guys which at the time was the RJs.
It felt like you got sent to the kids table at Thanksgiving.
Now one thing I feel for the 9 guys about is how often you have to say "unable to go direct" when cleared direct and you have no FMS.
The funny thing about having no FMS, is that the way we do training, cough cough, you'd swear that VNAV could never be on MEL let alone both FMSs. It's kind of nice when it is out in a way.
It felt like you got sent to the kids table at Thanksgiving.

Now one thing I feel for the 9 guys about is how often you have to say "unable to go direct" when cleared direct and you have no FMS.
The funny thing about having no FMS, is that the way we do training, cough cough, you'd swear that VNAV could never be on MEL let alone both FMSs. It's kind of nice when it is out in a way.
Entry Level Pilot Pay
An entry level pilot will be paid at the rate monthly of:
1. $3,377.96 effective July 1, 2012.
2. $3,665.09 effective January 1, 2013.
3. $3,775.04 effective January 1, 2014.
4. $3,888.29 effective January 1, 2015.
First year pay in 2014 once qualified is $68.08.
First year pay in 2015 once qualified is $70.12
Second year pay in 2015 DC9-7ER is: $96.58-110.96
Retirement is 15% in 2014.
2.5 mos. entry pay is $9437
9.5 mos. at 75.5 avg. reserve pay im 2014 is $48,830.
Retirement contribution would be $8740
Yes, the lodging after indoc and uniforms aren't paid...
That's a hair over $67,000 without ever breaking guarantee or factoring in per diem or profit sharing, for a pilot starting on Jan 1, 2014.
An entry level pilot will be paid at the rate monthly of:
1. $3,377.96 effective July 1, 2012.
2. $3,665.09 effective January 1, 2013.
3. $3,775.04 effective January 1, 2014.
4. $3,888.29 effective January 1, 2015.
First year pay in 2014 once qualified is $68.08.
First year pay in 2015 once qualified is $70.12
Second year pay in 2015 DC9-7ER is: $96.58-110.96
Retirement is 15% in 2014.
2.5 mos. entry pay is $9437
9.5 mos. at 75.5 avg. reserve pay im 2014 is $48,830.
Retirement contribution would be $8740
Yes, the lodging after indoc and uniforms aren't paid...
That's a hair over $67,000 without ever breaking guarantee or factoring in per diem or profit sharing, for a pilot starting on Jan 1, 2014.
With the current fleet right around 720-725 lets assume your right and we shrink modestly to 700 airframes.
We have about 200 new airframes coming. 100 737's, 88 717's and a handful of MD90's still in mod.
Your statement would require we park 225 airframes to get to 700. That would mean all the 757's and a most of the A320's would have to be parked in the next 3 to 4 years.
Would you like to put some serious money on this bet??
We will have a excellent idea if your right in a month or so. In the March bid if the company intends to keep the mainline size flat or shrink will have a net loss to neutral in Captains positions. I think you will be find your wrong when the bid comes out. There will be a substantial net gain in Captains positions.
We have about 200 new airframes coming. 100 737's, 88 717's and a handful of MD90's still in mod.
Your statement would require we park 225 airframes to get to 700. That would mean all the 757's and a most of the A320's would have to be parked in the next 3 to 4 years.
Would you like to put some serious money on this bet??
We will have a excellent idea if your right in a month or so. In the March bid if the company intends to keep the mainline size flat or shrink will have a net loss to neutral in Captains positions. I think you will be find your wrong when the bid comes out. There will be a substantial net gain in Captains positions.
I don't know if I see things as rosy as you might.
Start with the notion we'd have to replace 225 airplanes for me to be right. Well, let's first look at the fleet:

So they said the 739 was a 1;1 replacement of 757s, 763s and 320s and that it'd be done over the next six years (if I had the delivery schedule right). I find that plausible. So that's 100 of the 225 additions.
Now look at the 88s, they'll be almost as old at the end of this decade as some of the DC95s are now. Will they stick around or will the 717 + MD90 replace them?
Anyways, grab a bag, throw the 739, 717 and MD90 into it. Take out a portion of the 757s, all of the 763s, all of the 9s and think about those MD88s, hell, blame it on Nextgen and Bucking Bar let's get grid of them all. Take into account DCI@450 where yes the fleet dropped 25% but the capacity only dropped 16% and maybe even less with more efficient and faster jets capable of better utilization.
You could get a flat to a 1.5% yoy decrease in capacity with that, near flat mainline growth, and still maintain the 1.56 ratio the entire way.
Seems plausible to me, continues our current shrinking trajectory. But let's just say it's too much, weren't there rumors of picking up some more 717s? Do a 20-30 more of those things and you have a flat capacity.
But you do have more mainline airframes. 30-40 in that scenario. Which if we multiply that by the 10.1 pilot ratio we're running on the 88 we'd end up with 300-400 more pilots? If we did 80 airplanes like the filing said and get to 797 total (i.e. 4% larger than we were 4 years ago) it's 800 more pilots?
Minus the more productive pilot efficiencies and we'd need to be hiring 3-7 pilots a month over the next six years. But we do have a contract in the middle of that and given our current trends in productivity, paying for our own jets and increasing jumbo RJs, who knows.
I'll be happy if in 2018 we still require 11,800 pilots.
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