Or possibly she was thinking "go around"........ In any event both pilots situational awareness was nonexistent.

That part cannot be denied. I am just curious why?

Agreed, no one will ever know what their were thinking. Due to the fact their actions run completely contrary to what most of us would deem to beappropriate pilot inputs given the situation.


Anyone know if a stick shaker would even be set off during a tail plane stall?

Agree - complete lack of SA. But if she was thinking "go around", bringing the flaps to 0 was probably a terrible technique.

Assisting, by shoving the throttles to the firewall and lowering the nose would have been a bit more helpful.

Or calling out the airspeed.

Or at least on the FO's part, negative training...

You post an interesting study, but they missed the fleet mix by an order of a magnitude. Of course, what is the difference, from an ATC perspective, between a "RJ" and a 737-200 ? For controllers, it is mostly a wash.

My pondering was if Delta (and possibly ALPA) knew bankruptcy was imminent when they executed contract 2000? Facts suggest at least one, possibly both, parties knew at some level that the contract would not survive it's duration without modification. The scope section was unobtainable based on orders already executed. Of course as management hit those scope limits, the Delta Section 1 was renegotiated, or conceeded into compliance "just in time" to take delivery of jets ordered years prior.

George on this board, you and others are smart to take a "holistic" approach to reaching your conclusions about scope.

It appears the Delta MEC has taken a much more rational approach to contract 2012 and in contrast to contract 2000, the scope section appears improved both from the perspectives of the agreement and what's happening out the window.

The performance of the 717 concerns me when contrasted to the CRJ900. However, that could very well play out just as we have contracted. Economically, the 717 looks like a short bridge to me, but who'd have thought DC9's would be flying this long?

One wrinkle might be if management actually decides to "insource" Col-Pincol-mesaba, bringing the CRJ in house. Such an arrangement might hinge on whether management thought it possible to whipsaw the fee for departure operators with "Delta" operations. ...

The ATR series of aircraft handle ice just fine if used as INTENDED by the manufacturer. I have nearly 1000 hours in the 42-300. The boots are intended for De-Icing...not Anti-icing....and thats rub...many crews would turn the on and leave them on..rather than cycle them off. Flew the ATR our of JFK to BOS, ALB, DCA, BDL and other points in the NE for over two years, down low, in the crap....never a problem.

Why did you delete it? I thought it was a great post.

In case she shows up some day.....