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biigD 01-26-2013 10:38 AM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1339464)
But it's wings are much smaller then normal. Could that be why they can be heated?

Could be. I did a little reading online, and apparently the forward stabilizer is heated electrically, while the tail is not heated at all. That would fix the issue of having to route bleed air to areas further away from the engines.

grasshopper 01-26-2013 10:43 AM


Originally Posted by biigD (Post 1339469)
Could be. I did a little reading online, and apparently the forward stabilizer is heated electrically, while the tail is not heated at all. That would fix the issue of having to route bleed air to areas further away from the engines.

Man C130's have had hot wings since Orville. You would think the technology was there. Cost maybe?

ilinipilot 01-26-2013 10:57 AM

HEY CNI
I just tried to PM you about FMLA stuff but it says you dont accept messages. If you want PM me if you can and I will email you info.
Congrats

Boomer 01-26-2013 11:01 AM


Originally Posted by Columbia (Post 1339205)
In case she shows up some day.....


This may belong on the Regional board, since they're the only US operators with orders so far.

As far as the airplane, I'm undecided if I want to fly anything without wipers.

Especially since the C-Series has "spent years in Devil upment and engineering". (minute 3:25)

johnso29 01-26-2013 11:06 AM


Originally Posted by biigD (Post 1339469)
Could be. I did a little reading online, and apparently the forward stabilizer is heated electrically, while the tail is not heated at all. That would fix the issue of having to route bleed air to areas further away from the engines.

Interesting. Seems if electric will suffice, it'd be better then robbing power from the engines.


Originally Posted by grasshopper (Post 1339472)
Man C130's have had hot wings since Orville. You would think the technology was there. Cost maybe?


Hmmm.......I know the C130 is a beast. Maybe for twin engine aircraft there is a performance requirement issue? Could be cost as well.

flyallnite 01-26-2013 11:08 AM


Originally Posted by grasshopper (Post 1339472)
Man C130's have had hot wings since Orville. You would think the technology was there. Cost maybe?

Like I said, all the Russkie turboprops have hot wings, you'd think they know a thing or two about ice. You are correct though, it's a cost issue. You need a bigger engine that burns more gas to power a bleed air system capable of airframe anti icing. So for the same reason we are going to fly the 737's until the end of time, we are also going to keep 1920's boot de-icing technology as a part of modern aviation. (Although at least in the 1920's they were stuck to a big, fat Clark Y airfoil. Now they are on super critical airfoils that were never designed with this problem in mind. Thank you accountants!

Nothing is overbuilt in Western aviation anymore. It's all built right to spec, failure modes calculated down to the zillionth decimal point based on some arbitrary number picked out by the regulatory agencies. Parts fly off perfectly good airplanes. When was the last time you heard of a tail snapping off a 727 or an L1011?

boog123 01-26-2013 11:28 AM


Originally Posted by bluejuice71 (Post 1339367)
This is the latest bid for UCAL. This is what it looks like to work for an airline with some progression! I have a buddy is a 737 FO in EWR that was hired in 2006 & is only a couple hundred numbers away from EWR 737 CA. I'm a 2000 hire and I won't be able to hold 737 CA until June of 2021!!!! 21 years after I was hired. What a difference.

I wouldn't give too much credit to timelines and seniority lists yet, some airlines are still shrinking and will continue to do so.

Purple Drank 01-26-2013 11:34 AM


Originally Posted by ilinipilot (Post 1339489)
HEY CNI
I just tried to PM you about FMLA stuff

anyone know where to find that info on DeltaNet?

APCLurker 01-26-2013 11:47 AM


Originally Posted by flyallnite (Post 1339340)
The Simmons airplane was a -72, and they had the flaps out during the hold, which further exacerbated the runback icing, (and subsequently retracted them, not unlike the Colgan accident)


Small point of contention: That accident differed from the Colgan accident with regards to flap retraction/operation. The flaps were retracted due to a flap overspeed warning during a descent (holding speed close to max flap), and the loss of control (due to uncommanded aileron movement) occurred at a point after the retraction. The flaps were not retracted as part of an attempted/botched recovery.

The flaps could also not be lowered again due to computer logic prohibiting flap extension when over max flap speed. That logic was removed after the accident.

gloopy 01-26-2013 12:07 PM


Originally Posted by Elvis90 (Post 1339315)
I'm sitting in CVG waiting to deadhead back to ATL, and I have two observations:

1) It's a beautiful new airport.
2) It's a beautiful new EMPTY airport.

I wonder what the losses are that the airport has experienced with the reduction in traffic leaving 2-3 concourses empty. What a contrast to ATL where you can't walk two feet without bumping into someone.

And yet the airport CEO wants to blow half a Billion dollars destroying both concourses and rebuilding B to where A is just to save one train stop. I think when she realizes she won't get anywhere near enough fake stimulus money from the federal government, and likewise won't be able to bond it out locally, she will either give up in disgrace or become further disillusioned and attempt to get the airlines to pay for it, which will cause further pull backs. If she takes it to another level of insanity and tries to get DHL and DAL to pay for it things could get ugly because they are the backbone of the airport now, yet they don't need to be there at current levels for DAL and especially at super hub status for DHL anymore than DL had to have a massive hub there. They could have an arbitrary hub just about anywhere and the airport board had better make sure they are humble enough to recognize that.

She is also trying hard to bribe a so called low cost carrier to come in, which will further depress DL's margins and cause a further reduction. She is reading from old airline econ 101 textbooks from the mid 90's and sincerely thinks that if a SWA or other LCC comes in there will be this magical "Southwest Effect" and fares will plummet and traffic will mushroom. But these days everyone is an LCC and even if they are "successful" getting JB to fly to JFK 3 times a day and SWA to fly to MDW, BWI and/or LUV, all that will do is cause DL to pull down proportioately on like routes in a religious attempt to preserve margins. JB would only harm a route or two, but tying the SWA network in might be enough to cause a complete DAL pullout of almost every route except hub to hub.

The result would be a severe hit to the already pulled back route footprint for direct flights, which would make the airport far less relevant for business travelers and businesses in general in the area, which will likely cause even more to consider leaving.

What they should be doing instead is kissing DHL and DAL's posteriors like there's no tomorrow and trying to become legitimate business partners giving the two big players what they need to keep the service they have while trying to reduce overhead as much as possible and running a sustainable facility while working better and harder with local businesses on broader issues to make the city/area more friendly to current and future business and be in a position to survive in the meantime while living to fight another day with the ability to quickly ramp up should things improve down the road.


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