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[QUOTE=forgot to bid;1340931]Here is a question, would SWA pilots swap the pay system and rates they have right now with ours?
That's probably a decent question to ask "The Others." I mean $216 x 79 hours > $204 x 72 hours + 14% and a lot more than what 88/90 pilots get for flying similar sized aircraft on similar routes. They seem to do a lot better than straight rate x hours and some claim have a lot of days off, more than us. Well, actually, when you have 37 guys on reserve and 4 or 5 of them have 0 hours, 0 short calls and 0 raw scores for the month, that's probably hard to beat. Glad we can have guys in Bucket 3 with others with 0 hours over the same days of availability. But who am I to point that out?[/QUOTE] FTB, As soon as the guys hit bucket two they are a higher priority to fly than every Pilot in bucket one. A spread like this is caused "despite" our bucket system not because of it. Scoop |
Originally Posted by Timbo
(Post 1341507)
True, but they might be Captains on an RJ 50, not that there's anything wrong with that.
When the RJ's first came on the scene, I called DALPA and asked, W. T. F?? Why is Com Air flying JETS with DELTA painted all over the side?? The DALPA rep on the phone said, "You don't want to fly those jets, it would pay less than L10-11 Engineer!" I said, "I may not want to fly it (I was 757 F/O), but I'll bet all our guys on FURLOUGH would like to fly it!" :rolleyes: |
Originally Posted by BlueMoon
(Post 1341459)
My ex roommate is a podiatric surgeon and hasn't even cdented 100k yet. That for 250k in student loan debt.
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Originally Posted by LeineLodge
(Post 1341516)
How many RJ sized aircraft does SWA fly around?
It was correctly pointed out a few pages back that Delta and Southwest's business model are not apples to apples. Different models have resulted in different approaches (ie small guage feed to the hubs). I'm not saying we shouldn't try to bring DCI in house, but you only have to look back to the RJ explosion to remember that the number of RJ's ordered was exactly BECAUSE they are not flown at mainline. They went way overboard of course, but it is a pretty large leap to imply that if we waved a magic wand, and brought DCI in house, that the same number of aircraft (and resulting CA positions) would remain. |
Anyone see blip about DAL ending agreements with Qatar, Emerates, and Turkish Air? Things that make you go hmmmmmm......in a good way....
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Originally Posted by Scoop
(Post 1341518)
FTB,
As soon as the guys hit bucket two they are a higher priority to fly than every Pilot in bucket one. A spread like this is caused "despite" our bucket system not because of it. Scoop A guy in bucket 2 does not get a trip before a guy in bucket 1 (SC assignment discussion aside, which is a different topic). The bucket system works as intended - to bring a measure of seniority to reserve assignments. There are plenty (mostly junior reserves) who think it went a little too far towards favoring the senior pilot and that's fine. We SHOULD continuously review our system and tweak it where necessary. There are so many things that factor in, that don't have to do with the bucket system, that result in some reserves flying more than others. Primarily: whether or not a reserve is on call on a weekend or holiday. If you can hold weekends off, you will most likely stay in bucket 1 longer than a guy who is on every weekend. We had a CA at the last 44 meeting put up a resolution to "fix" some of the inequities of the reserve system. This CA was (understandably) unhappy about having flown a lot and not having a weekend off in a long time. As it turned out, this CA was either the plug, or very close to it, and the reason her schedule sucked so bad was mostly due to being junior (thus being on reserve for nearly every weekend/holiday) and not to a flawed bucket system. Just food for thought. I'm pretty junior and want to keep the bucket system because I think it works as intended. Many of the guys I hear talking about changing it are junior as well and typically strike me as wanting to change it because they don't like that senior guys are "getting a good deal" (not directed at you Scoop or FTB.) To me that's the wrong reason to seek change. A few truths of reserve (I've done all 3): 1. Commuting to reserve sucks 2. Being junior on reserve is not ideal 3. Being junior AND commuting to reserve should be avoided at all costs! |
Originally Posted by JungleBus
(Post 1340341)
If you do fly in or out of BRU, consider a short side-trip to Bruges. 1 hour northwest by train and the prettiest little town in Europe for my money.
Colin Farrel was obviously not that impressed with Bruges. :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6-Gpasi79c Scoop |
Originally Posted by RockyBoy
(Post 1341522)
Got a friend who is an orthodontist. Works Tues-Fri, no weekeneds, no holidays, home at night. Makes 400K! :eek: I have started telling my boys how cool it would be to be an orthodontist.
What my friend has said is a lot of people they see are Medicare folks with chronic problems like diabetic ulcer, gangreen, and similar things. They are generally low yield procedures. Also insurance companies put the squeeze on what they can charge. Orthodontia isnt't genrally isn't covered 100% covered by insurance and probably attracts a higher income/paying crowd. |
Originally Posted by LeineLodge
(Post 1341535)
Can you explain a little more?
A guy in bucket 2 does not get a trip before a guy in bucket 1 (SC assignment discussion aside, which is a different topic). The bucket system works as intended - to bring a measure of seniority to reserve assignments. There are plenty (mostly junior reserves) who think it went a little too far towards favoring the senior pilot and that's fine. We SHOULD continuously review our system and tweak it where necessary. There are so many things that factor in, that don't have to do with the bucket system, that result in some reserves flying more than others. Primarily: whether or not a reserve is on call on a weekend or holiday. If you can hold weekends off, you will most likely stay in bucket 1 longer than a guy who is on every weekend. We had a CA at the last 44 meeting put up a resolution to "fix" some of the inequities of the reserve system. This CA was (understandably) unhappy about having flown a lot and not having a weekend off in a long time. As it turned out, this CA was either the plug, or very close to it, and the reason her schedule sucked so bad was mostly due to being junior (thus being on reserve for nearly every weekend/holiday) and not to a flawed bucket system. Just food for thought. I'm pretty junior and want to keep the bucket system because I think it works as intended. Many of the guys I hear talking about changing it are junior as well and typically strike me as wanting to change it because they don't like that senior guys are "getting a good deal" (not directed at you Scoop or FTB.) To me that's the wrong reason to seek change. A few truths of reserve (I've done all 3): 1. Commuting to reserve sucks 2. Being junior on reserve is not ideal 3. Being junior AND commuting to reserve should be avoided at all costs! LL, You are right. I said it backwards, but my point (which is a defense of the bucket system) still stands. I think we are on the same page. :) As soon as any Pilot hits bucket two all the Pilots in bucket 1 are a higher priority to fly. If you have some guys in Bucket three and some guys in bucket one that is despite the bucket system, I like the bucket system and think it is works pretty well. Scoop |
Originally Posted by AtlCSIP
(Post 1341524)
Nobody said same number of captains. Just more Delta captains. I realize that the business model is different, but that doesn't mean Delta has to outsource.
I get that you would rather be at Delta with a seniority number rather than flying FOR Delta without one and I wish you the best of luck! |
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