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As far as the wide body order being removed from the update, I had heard we were going to announce some 330s and 321s, but the deal fell apart a few days ago - like boeing sweetened the pot or something... I definitely do not have the whole story.[/QUOTE]
A buddy of mine just flew with a LCA who told him the 321's are not gonna happen. Good third hand rumor. |
Originally Posted by daldude
(Post 1369860)
Crap, I don't want to merge minds. I personally think we will continue to continue to displace FO's to "fund" 717s and 737s. I don't think we will hire until winter of 2015. We need to start a giant pool everybody gets a guess. I'll take Feb 2015 for first new hire class. Who's in?
The first 20 717s were "funded" with displacements on this A/E. If C/R is correct, and this is the last bid using displ. to fill vacancies, new hires will need to fill the 717s beginning April 14. It appears 68 of the 717s cannot be manned with current staffing and will require 952 additional pilots by the end of 15. Expect 500 pilots to leave through attrition of all types by Dec 15. This results in 1452 newbies required. DAL is currently "overstaffed" by about 150. Expect 50 furloughs to return. That leaves a need for 1252 new hires by Dec 15. Where do I send my buy-in money?? |
Originally Posted by gloopy
(Post 1370312)
I wonder who they have been going to? Many other nations are out buying us in gold by massive percentiles while our future debt interest : GDP ratios are staggeting and getting worse with no end in sight and many other nations signaling the end of the reserve currency spending gravy train.
I know the Church of the LDS has been buying gold from South America for a long time. |
Originally Posted by johnso29
(Post 1369634)
How do you know we won't hire in 2013? ;)
Just doesn't seem like it. Plus reading between the lines with the CS updates is absolutely laced with pessimisim. Back that up with the secret formulaic 22D reports or whatever and the never ending capacity dicipline and yet another JV "partner" and future debt/dollar bubble realities and it doesn't look that great for the next couple years, even if we do finally push 150 or so through at some point. There is potential to be sure, but our default on all levels is perpetual shrinkage with no end in sight. Oh yeah, the 5 year fleet plan. Cause 5 year plans in the airline industry hardly ever pan out worse than expected. |
Originally Posted by qball
(Post 1370315)
As far as the wide body order being removed from the update, I had heard we were going to announce some 330s and 321s, but the deal fell apart a few days ago - like boeing sweetened the pot or something... I definitely do not have the whole story.
Seems like RA is using the LCA's and public message boards to negotiate in public again. |
Originally Posted by PilotFrog
(Post 1369679)
If we ARE going to pump through 800 a year, think of all the trips you will be bought off of, and with the new contract you won't have to sit around and see if you get another trip. Buddy bidding with a LCA will be back with a vengeance I bet.
What a stupid way to monetize something like that, by creating little seniority bubble empires that grant massive windfalls to only a tiny few while the rest of the pilot group gets hammered, especially the reserves. Especially those who "choose to commute". But hey, a hand ful of guys will get every day off with full pay and be able to triple dip with green slips on top of it because they were the tragic victims of exactly what they bid for. Weeeeeeeeeee! |
Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 1369818)
They were speaking of vacancies in this bid.
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Originally Posted by daldude
(Post 1369846)
Actually, I spoke with the chief pilot this morning and specifically asked if they were going to fill the future vacancies they mentioned with new hires. He said he called crew resources and stated that at this time they had no guidance on filling future vacancies other than no hiring is currently planned. They did say they believed they would eventually hire, but said it ultimatly was not up to them. No time frame on when hiring would begin was given.
That kinda goes with what you said in that ops would like to hire but Mother Delta does not want to. So I can buy that we will eventually hire but at this time there are no plans to fill current or future vacancies. Not arguing with you, they actually supported what you are saying. We will hire someday or attrition will end us. The question is when and how many. And when. |
Originally Posted by gloopy
(Post 1370323)
Yeah for the few who can do it.
What a stupid way to monetize something like that, by creating little seniority bubble empires that grant massive windfalls to only a tiny few while the rest of the pilot group gets hammered, especially the reserves. Especially those who "choose to commute". But hey, a hand ful of guys will get every day off with full pay and be able to triple dip with green slips on top of it because they were the tragic victims of exactly what they bid for. Weeeeeeeeeee! 2) Right now everyone flies with LCA's. 3) Even having the possibility of getting removed from a rotation is not enough for many to bid with LCA's as they do not want to take the chance of the trip not being bought. 4) The give was a one year seat lock on new hires where there previously was not one. It came in line with the rest of the industry. The give was nothing compared to the get for the pilot group. It also cost nothing for the current dues paying line pilots. |
Originally Posted by Ferd149
(Post 1369999)
Maybe....maybe not. I'll just remind youze that we play checkers, RA and the boyz play chess.
I still think it's Jet Blue. We get A320s, and own the east coast lead turning AA. Maybe, if we time it right, we can even pay into ALPA to help them wage that battle against us with our own internal merger policy they just became a part of with 2 seconds left in the 4th quarter. |
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