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Jay5150 03-20-2013 08:51 AM


Originally Posted by DARR31 (Post 1375532)
DCI jumpseat question for Skywest.

So I was trying to jumpseat on Skywest last night on a Delta Connection flight. This was on a 50 seat RJ that was oversold. I checked in 50 min prior and was told I would be on the jumpseat, but I had to wait for my boarding pass. After last call I still did not have the boarding pass and was talking with an Express Jet guy who was also trying to get on. The gate agent told us to wait and then took his ID and gave him the jumpseat :eek:

He smiled and said no hard feelings and got on the jet. So my question is I thought the order was Skywest, DAL, and then OAL. If this is the case, who should I be contacting?

On a good note, SWA came through again for me I just had to wait 3 hrs for the flight.

Maybe it's because Skywest INC. owns Express Jet? Didn't they buy them and are merging them with ASA (merged company is Express Jet)? So maybe no matter if you're Skywest or Express Jet it's considered "their" metal? Had it been say, a Chataqua guy, I bet you'd have gotten it.

Don't know for sure, I could be way off.

Vikz09 03-20-2013 08:54 AM


Originally Posted by SailorJerry (Post 1375731)
Maybe because it would be a waste of their time to rock the boat with their above industry standard demands, because they know that they're expending negotiating capital for all working groups. Not because of what, or what isn't written, but because the deep running culture of Delta Air Lines demands checks and balances between wage groups. I don't think the NMB would advise management that's illegal in any case, as management would be arguing to provide an industry standard contract to their pilots. That's not an illegal position to argue from. Why else would they have caved and given other labor groups the raise? Because now they can argue we're all at above industry standard wages and they have no legal reason that I know of to pay us a dime more.

Can you cite the section of the RLA that prohibits management from negotiating for industry standard wages, please? For all our benefit.

Sailor, first off I am not directing this at you, Alfa, or any other pro ALPA guys. I do however have some questions I hope can be answered.

First, how much does ALPA collect from Delta pilots annually? How much do we receive in return... I.E what does ALPA provide us in return for our investment in their services?

Second, I understand that we probably contribute WAY more in dues than we receive in return. I would bet we pay ALPA 15-20 million more annually than we receive in direct benefit. My math tells me we could hire subject matter experts in every area and still have a big surpluse each year. For example, what if we actually charged 2% union dues on 1 billion in pilot wages the figure would be 20 million per year into our own coffers. Now take away expenses for subject matter experts, etc. I still see no way we are not left with a 10 million per year in left over dues money that could be used to fund a small pension or medical supplement program for our retiring pilots. Right now that money goes to ALPA to decide what they want to do with it. I am sorry if I am missing something here but our dues should go to our causes and benefits... I have a feeling ALPA secretaries/staff do not have to pay 6750 in medical costs if they have a child in any given year (current cost for delta gold HRA).

I also find it amusing that the profit sharing, as a me too benefit to the pilots has dues taken out as though ALPA negotiated it for the pilots as a exclusive benefit.

hockeypilot44 03-20-2013 08:59 AM


Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 1375733)
Immature attitudes such as displayed by Hockeypilot are pretty rare around here. Most guys I know will do everything possible to get non-revs and OAL jumpseaters on. Yesterday I had a DAL pilot and FA both give up assigned non-rev seats and take jumpseats to get a couple of buddy pass riders on. And that was on a 4+ hour leg.

Karma.

It's not immature. I had the last flight of the day jumpseat reserved once. I was late getting in. I showed up to the gate before the door was closed to find a DCI pilot had swiped my jumpseat because I did not show up the 15 minutes prior. He left me at the gate. When I showed up, he had not even boarded yet. The flight attendant jumpseat privileges are there to help us get on our own metal, not other pilots. I'm alright with karma. I don't go out of my way to deny someone. I just refuse to sit in a flight attendant jumpseat unless it is to get me on. I would like to add that it is my right to do that. I do not break any rules. We are not required to do that anymore than we are required to sit in the jumpseat as a deadheader to get another passenger on.

fisherpilot 03-20-2013 09:04 AM


Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1375794)
Hey Fisher, you should see the Bass I caught off my dock last night! My wife got a couple picts of it on an iPhone, I'll see if I can figure out how to upload it, but I'm a caveman, so it could be awhile...:D

Awesome! I'd like to see it. I need to take my son (6 yr old) fishing soon. I live 10-15 mins from Lanier and have kicked myself multiple times for selling my boat prior to moving here. I need to buy he and I a fishing kayak so we can easily go. Prob is that when I take him I can't get him away from it till it gets dark. Could be worse:D

BlueMoon 03-20-2013 09:07 AM

I was just walking around on a 4 hour productivity sit in DFW and happened to be passing by a gate that was boarding. A DL pilot came up offered to take the FA jumpseater if I needed to get on the flight deck seat even though. Even though I wasn't even trying to get on the flight I was thankful and impressed with that offer.

This is indicative of almost all interactions with commuting pilots in general. I don't commute right now but when I did DL pilots treated me great even when I was an FO at the dreaded Comair.

LeineLodge 03-20-2013 09:12 AM


Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 1375806)
It's not immature. I had the last flight of the day jumpseat reserved once. I was late getting in. I showed up to the gate before the door was closed to find a DCI pilot had swiped my jumpseat because I did not show up the 15 minutes prior. He left me at the gate. When I showed up, he had not even boarded yet. The flight attendant jumpseat privileges are there to help us get on our own metal, not other pilots. I'm alright with karma. I don't go out of my way to deny someone. I just refuse to sit in a flight attendant jumpseat unless it is to get me on. I would like to add that it is my right to do that. I do not break any rules. We are not required to do that anymore than we are required to sit in the jumpseat as a deadheader to get another passenger on.

If the RJ jumpseater still had not boarded, then he probably should have stepped aside. However, you weren't there 15 prior as the rule says and the agent has to start wrapping things up (especially now with the big latency push).

Either way, you're right. It is your right to not help out a fellow pilot, but would you appreciate the assistance if it were the other way around? Have you ever commuted?

I commuted for 8 years, and finally moved to base. Although it doesn't come up very often for me anymore, I would still do whatever necessary - to include sitting backwards in an FA jumpseat for 5 hours - to get another pilot on the airplane (DCI or otherwise). Maybe that's just me and the majority of your Delta pilot co-workers. :cool:

Doing the right thing, even when you don't have to, is a sign of good character. I'd venture to say that most of us feel that way. Join the team won't you?

Express pilot 03-20-2013 09:17 AM

Bid is posted up in ATL crew room. They say it should be on I crew at 1400

XtremeF150 03-20-2013 09:18 AM

It could just be me but if we received 50,000 applications for 400 FA positions I don't think the FA's pay packages are hurting them enough to need a me too clause.

There is a small army trying to get hired as a FA here so why again should ALPA be overly concerned with what they ask for when negotiating "FOR" the pilots? The company can give the FA's a raise tomorrow and if they do thats great for them but it doesn't mean a hill of beans to the rest of us.

Like was said before if Delta has "Always" had an unwritten me too clause, then where is our rest facility on most of the widebody fleets?

Don't take this as being hostile towards our FA's as I wish them nothing but great careers and actually enjoying chatting with many of them, but don't use them as an excuse why something can't be done or at least attempted.

Jughead 03-20-2013 09:18 AM


Originally Posted by Express pilot (Post 1375819)
Bid is posted up in ATL crew room. They say it should be on I crew at 1400


What did I get? Can you go look? ;)

Timbo 03-20-2013 09:20 AM

I will remind you all, who are in the Bid Posting Pool, I did say 48 hours from closing...which would be...1400. (in iCrew)

Send the Torpedo's to my house please, I'm fresh out!

;^)


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