Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1375683)

The sad truth is, even though there is nothing in writing, the company will always use that "Well, if we give it to you, we have to give it to everyone..." argument against us whenever we ask for...Anything!

Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1375683)

I don't agree with it, but Dalpa seems to go along with it.

Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1375683)

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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Again Carl show me once where Dalpa has even mentioned this policy.

Again, here's where I got it:


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Originally Posted by sailingfun
They get me too pay on everything. Get over it. Its not going to change.

I've heard this exact same thing verbally from my union reps and my other DALPA acquaintances...despite the fact that it's a lie. They DO NOT get "me too" on everything as you state above. It's entirely discretionary on management's part.


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Originally Posted by sailingfun
If you had worked for Delta as long as I have you would not even question it.

Again, you're not listening. I'm not saying it doesn't exist. I'm saying its not in writing anywhere. It's in nobody's contract. It's completely discretionary on the part of management. Yet you and union folks use this as a defense as to why our expectations need to be adjusted downward. Why you do that is the question, and one you continue to run from.


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Carl and S/F, you guys are both right. There is nothing "In Writing" that requires the company to give the F/A's or anyone else, anything WE negotiate (or should I say, TRADE) for.

However, in practice, as we just saw, via that "We want what the Pilots Get" Pettition, that got them our raises (and got their profit sharing cut 33% as well), the Company, will spend a lot of money on THEM, to keep them from becoming Unionized.

Carl, a little Delta History on why this came to be:

Way back in the 'good ole' days' (pre 1987) Delta Management like to treat every employee the same, from the lav cleaners (who all worked for Delta), all the way up to the Senior VP's.

But when Mo'Ron came in, 1987, he HATED pilots. He wasted no opportunity to tell all the other employees that the GREEDY PILOTS were Ruining Delta Air Lines, and going to put Delta out of business, because of our excessive wage demands, when in fact, it was his own inept management decisions that were ruining Delta Air Lines. In 1992, he instituted an across the board 5% paycut for all the Non-Contract Employees (everyone but Pilots and Dispatchers), and then publicly ridiculed the Pilots for not going along!

There were some Sim Instructors (most of them) and some line pilots who actually VOLUNTEERED to give up their 5%! When we went to recurrent, they would try to talk us into giving it up too!

On nearly every trip, we would hear it from the F/A's, the Gate Agents, the Mechanics, etc., on how the GREEDY PILOTS were trying to put Delta out of business! I remember telling one van full of F/A's who were telling us how evil we all were:

I said, "Yeah, just imagine all the money Delta would make, without ANY PILOTS!"

It got real quiet, they had to think about that for a few minutes!

The sad truth is, even though there is nothing in writing, the company will always use that "Well, if we give it to you, we have to give it to everyone..." argument against us whenever we ask for...Anything!

I don't agree with it, but Dalpa seems to go along with it.

I considered them guilty of creating a Hostile Work Environment, but Dalpa never took them to court over it. But the company is hell bent on keeping other unions off the property, all the F/A's and Mechs have to do is have another Organizing Drive, and watch the free stuff (for them) fall out of the sky!

Always with the caveat: For all NON-CONTRACT employees...just like a year ago, when the F/A's were taking their last vote.

Originally Posted by Roadkill (Post 1375402)

If you like Sweetwater, (I do, as well as most you guys have mentioned), you will also like Pike Pale Ale. It's the brew pub in Pike Place, Seattle. They won some golds for it before, it's my go-to beer when in Seattle and most of the local places carry it as well as the brewpub of course.

If you like "real beer", aka cask ale, there are some good places in Philly and Baltimore. Had an awesome bitter last month in Philly:
Uncle Teddy's Bitter (on cask) Victory Brewing, Pennsylvania
Uncle Teddy's Bitter - Victory Brewing Company - Downingtown, PA - BeerAdvocate

FINALLY some good and interesting posts! ;) I'm all for continued "BeerReps" from all over the system. AE info is nice to have, but probably more important on a daily basis is "WHERE is there some good local beer in DTW long?" "JFK long layo... where's the spot that's not BlarneyStone...again...?"
etc.

Originally Posted by LeineLodge (Post 1375714)

Just got a Trim Tab update saying the AE results should be out by the end of the day.

Start wearing out your Refresh buttons . . . . :D

Originally Posted by LeineLodge (Post 1375714)

Just got a Trim Tab update saying the AE results should be out by the end of the day.

Start wearing out your Refresh buttons . . . . :D

Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1375535)

...and Sierra Nevada comes in a can? Never seen that one before.

Originally Posted by LeineLodge (Post 1375714)

Just got a Trim Tab update saying the AE results should be out by the end of the day.

Start wearing out your Refresh buttons . . . . :D

Originally Posted by atrdriver (Post 1375712)

Another of my favorites you ought to try on a SEA layover... Manny's Pale Ale from Georgetown Brewing Co. They're draft-only, so you can only find it in a pub or restaurant. Mac & Jack's African Amber is another locally-brewed favorite and Alaskan (brewed in JNU) Amber & IPA are pretty good brews to be found along the west coast.

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1375706)

And THIS is the heart of the problem. Why does our bargaining agent "go along" with an unwritten policy that's impossible to defend legally? If management even attempting to use that argument in mediated talks, the NMB would quickly advise management that it is illegal to make such a claim under the RLA. Yet our own union uses this unwritten, legally indefensible "concept" as a barrier to obtaining anything more than COLA increases. Why would our own union do that? What is our union's incentive to do this?

Carl