Then I guess you missed this one from Johnso...here's the entire string for context:

btw, it wasn't an analogy, it was a statement of fact.

You might want to try winding the clock when you look at one of my posts...or go commiserate with mod 80.;)

Has anyone cyphered the total number of additional required staffing, if any, for DL WRT to the new rules?

The rules will be what they will be, but there are 2 different possibilities: keeping the current contractual 2/3/4 man block hour limits versus sliding that grid one hour forward WRT the FT/DT changes.

I really don't see much of an advantage to the company to push deeper into Europe, etc with the extra hour of 2 man ops if the no exceptions "must be legal at throttle up" concept remains part of the final rules. I do see the company pushing for relief for narrowbody ops though, particularly high cycle hub flying i.e. 717/88/320/etc. If a crew starts to overblock they can always replace them at a hub with minimal risk to the operation. Trying to get 8:01-8:59 2 man to Europe or back with varying headwinds (giggity), etc and a taxi out delay of as little as 1 minute up to 59 minutes would mean a messy cancellation/gate return and the real world would quickly outstrip the fancy spreadsheet benefits on paper.

Unless they overblocked to protect against that. But if they did that, they would eliminate the efficiencies they were trying to gain in the first place.

I assume the company will approach us for this, and I assume we will seriously consider giving them that concession. We will of course want "something" for it, but IMO since there is no way they will offer anything of equal or greater value (otherwise they gain nothing) we would be selling some degree of safety, even if its small, in exchange for something else. I hope we don't go down that road. Honestly, I hope the company doesn't even ask.

19 hr max coming, and what is our current longest flight? ATL-J'brg and according to Wikipedia it is 16h and 55m, and with a 1 1/2h report that makes it 18h 25m. Small window if something goes wrong huh?
Glad we don't fly JFK-Sin, that is like 18h 45m

i think we'll see bag fees or something similar from them within a year or two. It's a nice concept but I think they are leaving a lot of money on the table. Notice how there aren't any many TV ads from talking about "No Bag Fees"?

[QUOTE=gloopy;1382384]Has anyone cyphered the total number of additional required staffing, if any, for DL WRT to the new rules?


Gloopy,

FWIW, at the MSP Base visit the CR guy said the FTDT rule changes would have minimal affect on DAL manning numbers.

Scoop

I think the company was originally thinking that, but the recently posted clarification of FAR 177 didn't give them the flexibility they were hoping for. For example, if you divert, that counts towards the FDP max and flight time max. If the inbound flight to Europe is running late, they just can't call the captain to delay the report time because the FDP is based on the scheduled report time. If your crew rest is interrupted by a call from scheduling and you can't go back to sleep - your crew rest is violated. If a smoke alarm goes off and you can't go back to sleep, your crew rest is violated. If your taxi out of JFK takes 80 minutes and you know you'll be over the limit if when you land you're illegal to go. If you're on rest, the company cannot require you to check your schedule. No inverse assignments with less than 10 hour report time. There are a lot of gems in here that I think favor the pilots.

https://www.federalregister.gov/articles/2013/03/05/2013-05083/clarification-of-flight-duty-and-rest-requirements

Omg. 900 cadets of the Arnold Air Society running around the downtown Atl. It's a high risk environment.

Sweet water 420 ftw.

So does that mean it won't happen? :D

so.... what have I missed?

http://www.mediabistro.com/prnewser/...over-homer.jpg

20 years ago the guy building the shower in my master bath put some nails about 4" too low. 20 years later, the shower tries to come through the den ceiling. Insurance covers the damage, except to the shower since that was an installation problem. The damage is less than the deductible. The fix to make it look like a 20 year old shower costs almost as much as a remodel. So I've been preoccupied... trying to find a gun.

http://www.movieposterdb.com/posters...1_73d99dff.jpg

/rant

But yesterday was my last day on reserve, I might quit reserve. swap with the pot is a bit addictive.