Originally Posted by A6danimal (Post 1387282)

cool shot, ftb! I had to compare to current google satellite and aerials. Realized I can see the shadow of the "FLY DELTA JETS" sign in the '72 shot. if this link works, you too can compare:

Google Maps

Originally Posted by newKnow (Post 1387250)

One of the best college basketball games I have ever seen. Ever.

Originally Posted by Jack Bauer (Post 1387310)

Any idea if the proposed SEA-LHR would be on Delta metal or Virgin America's?

Delta, Virgin Atlantic File Antitrust Immunity Application - Apr 8, 2013

"In addition, if antitrust immunity is approved, Delta plans to begin new nonstop service between Seattle and London-Heathrow, expanding competition on that important business market. The new service would complement Delta's growing international gateway in Seattle."

Originally Posted by Ball Breaker (Post 1387336)

Same thought came to me. Do other legacy pilots have to wonder "who" gets to fly the route their CEO announces?

Originally Posted by alfaromeo (Post 1387176)

Okay, so if Delta forced you to live and work in a city other than where you live for 4 years, would you expect to be reimbursed for that or would you just maintain two households on your own dime? Do you count the cost of the hotels you stay in on layovers as compensation? How about transportation to and from the hotels? How about training expense for recurrent? What about per diem and meals that you get on the airplane, are you adding that up?

This whole compensation thing is just a bunch of crap. Much of the compensation is reimbursement for housing expense, car expense, and many other expenses, something that anyone would expect that is forced to spend most of their time away from home for a short TDY. All of those items listed above get charged to the "compensation" of the President when much of it is reimbursement for expenses incurred. If he has to host a party for Congressman and is reimbursed for the expense, guess what it shows up as "compensation." The ALPA President works every day of the year without fail. The best part of my job is that I fly my trip, go home and forget about Delta until my next sign in. Lee never gets that kind of break.

It just brings up this whole populist argument that has been the staple of internet boards for a long time now. I bet if you go on some forum for gate agents or mechanics, they talk about what a bunch of overpaid underworked prima donas that Delta pilots are. It is all a matter of perspective. I am constantly surprised by pilots that then buy into this whole populism crap. Go out into the real world and let everyone know how you just can't get by on $250,000 a year and see what comes your way. Are you then going to ask for a pay cut?

Originally Posted by alfaromeo (Post 1387013)

My point was simple. These people are dead set to steal your job. They are well financed and well organized and they are supported by our government which does not believe in free trade, they believe in unfair competition to steal your job. In that environment how much effort and expense do we have to spare to combat this constant source of misinformation. The DPA people don't even attempt to tell the truth anymore. There is the UPU at United also. This is a war, and you have a group of our own fighting against us.

That is my point. I am not scared of DPA I am just wondering what it would take before they stop draining off support and resources from a fight to save your job. Tim Caplinger is still a young guy who has a long career ahead of him. No matter what, I will be able to skim through the rest of my career and be okay, I could retire tomorrow and make it through. When will Tim and his group realize that he is working against his best interest in having a job 10 or 15 years from now?

My question back to you would be, who should be more concerned about the future of this profession in the next 20 or 30 years, you or me?

Originally Posted by alfaromeo (Post 1387017)

How much would a 777 Captain make if he worked 365 days a year? When Lee was on the compensation committee he spearheaded the effort to reduce the compensation for the officers, at least get the facts straight. By the way he also supported this last BOD which further reduced officer pay for the next few years.

Originally Posted by alfaromeo (Post 1387176)

Okay, so if Delta forced you to live and work in a city other than where you live for 4 years, would you expect to be reimbursed for that or would you just maintain two households on your own dime? Do you count the cost of the hotels you stay in on layovers as compensation? How about transportation to and from the hotels? How about training expense for recurrent? What about per diem and meals that you get on the airplane, are you adding that up?

This whole compensation thing is just a bunch of crap. Much of the compensation is reimbursement for housing expense, car expense, and many other expenses, something that anyone would expect that is forced to spend most of their time away from home for a short TDY. All of those items listed above get charged to the "compensation" of the President when much of it is reimbursement for expenses incurred. If he has to host a party for Congressman and is reimbursed for the expense, guess what it shows up as "compensation." The ALPA President works every day of the year without fail. The best part of my job is that I fly my trip, go home and forget about Delta until my next sign in. Lee never gets that kind of break.

It just brings up this whole populist argument that has been the staple of internet boards for a long time now. I bet if you go on some forum for gate agents or mechanics, they talk about what a bunch of overpaid underworked prima donas that Delta pilots are. It is all a matter of perspective. I am constantly surprised by pilots that then buy into this whole populism crap. Go out into the real world and let everyone know how you just can't get by on $250,000 a year and see what comes your way. Are you then going to ask for a pay cut?

Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1387361)

Fixed your post re: government support.

WRT doughnuts, if ALPA would stop doing stupid stuff, they would probably go away. See council 66 FO rep elections for the latest stupidity...