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buzzpat 06-19-2013 07:34 PM


Originally Posted by buzzpat (Post 1431327)
I like the whiny baby FO voice crying in the background. "Put the flaps down, dude, put the flaps down." In Greek, of course.

....and how did they deal with that obnoxious horn with the gear down and the flaps at least to 15?

Mike Hancho 06-19-2013 07:40 PM


Originally Posted by buzzpat (Post 1431324)
So did Vince Flynn....really bad day for really cool guys. Flynn was only 47.

And in keeping with the great ones go in threes, Slim Whitman dead at 90. True, he is no David Alan Coe, but if you haven't seen MARS ATTACKS it will give you a new appreciation for him.

buzzpat 06-19-2013 07:42 PM


Originally Posted by Mike Hancho (Post 1431346)
And in keeping with the great ones go in threes, Slim Whitman dead at 90. True, he is no David Alan Coe, but if you haven't seen MARS ATTACKS it will give you a new appreciation for him.

We used to have Slim Whitman parties in college. Which dates me, I know. He was cool before cool was cool.

forgot to bid 06-19-2013 07:44 PM

So I had a GSO turn today and went asked about the hail marry MD-88. It did happen and it flew out of GSO today.

The radome was replaced, at least one windshield was shattered, the engine 1 cowling may have been replaced, 500ish dents on the leading edge of the wing. Slats were replaced but whether it was all of them I do not know. And I don't know if it's fixed and ready for work it if it was just ferried back for more work. I can't tell you more because that's all I was told.

buzzpat 06-19-2013 08:12 PM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1431351)
So I had a GSO turn today and went asked about the hail marry MD-88. It did happen and it flew out of GSO today.

The radome was replaced, at least one windshield was shattered, the engine 1 cowling may have been replaced, 500ish dents on the leading edge of the wing. Slats were replaced but whether it was all of them I do not know. And I don't know if it's fixed and ready for work it if it was just ferried back for more work. I can't tell you more because that's all I was told.

Sounds like they got the sh!t kicked out if them. I used to fly the -88 but its been awhile. Whats the wx radar like?

Dehav 06-19-2013 09:06 PM


Originally Posted by buzzpat (Post 1431327)
I like the whiny baby FO voice crying in the background. "Put the flaps down, dude, put the flaps down." In Greek, of course.


Actually that was the FO taking the video.

Jughead 06-19-2013 09:12 PM


Originally Posted by buzzpat (Post 1431370)
Sounds like they got the sh!t kicked out if them. I used to fly the -88 but its been awhile. Whats the wx radar like?

It's a good radar - does the job just fine. It's not hypersensitive like the 800 (or 717) which I prefer. I'll be interested to read the report on this one, if it's ever released for viewing. Did this happen in ATL or after the divert to GSO?

Carl Spackler 06-19-2013 09:20 PM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1430631)
My father is the highest time 747 guy I know. Nearly a decade before the TWA 747 accident he came home from a trip talking about how hot the packs got running all day out in the sun. On the cargo versions he could feel the heat through his shoes as you walked over the center fuel tank. The flash point for the fuel could be down around 129F,29C.

Admittedly it's been a while since engineering school, but the flash point of fuel is the minimum temperature where the fuel's vapors can ignite (as in catch fire). Not explode, ignite. For jet fuel to provide an explosive force, the fuel air mixture has to be highly compressed prior to the introduction of an ignition source. All fuel tanks are vented, so it's impossible for those vapors to have been compressed at all, much less what is required for the fuel air mixture to explode.

So let's stipulate that the nearly empty center fuel tank was above the flash point temperature. Any source of ignition should have only started a fire on the surface of the fuel pool since the vapors weren't being highly compressed. Also, I've had the 747-100 in places like Muscat and Jeddah where the ATIS temperatures were 127F. The ramp was even hotter. And all three packs were running. And no fire...and certainly no explosion. Why? What was I (and all the other middle eastern operated 747's) unwittingly doing right to prevent a fire/explosion if flash point of uncompressed vapors had anything to do with this?


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1430631)
A bomb (whether propelled by a rocket or placed there) is usually the first explanation folks go to because that is certainly what a fuel - air explosion looks like.

That is what a compressed fuel-air explosion looks like, but see above regarding uncompressed mixtures.

Carl

newKnow 06-19-2013 09:39 PM


Originally Posted by buzzpat (Post 1431370)
Sounds like they got the sh!t kicked out if them. I used to fly the -88 but its been awhile. Whats the wx radar like?

Do Dah Dippity.....

The Choice is Yours?

buzzpat 06-19-2013 09:52 PM


Originally Posted by newKnow (Post 1431402)
Do Dah Dippity.....

The Choice is Yours?

No, just curious. I dodged the weather last week in the SE as well. We went around for a windshear alert, held and changed runways, and had our auto throttles go full idle at cruise dodging t storms. It was an angry sky. Just curious what the 88 guys can see. Our radar on the older -800s is good. The newer version is great. Shows turbulence and shafts much more cleaner.


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