Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1335783)

I think that can has been kicked 2-3 years down the road BY the competition. Trainer, if it's everything I hope, may just make us uncatchable.

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Originally Posted by nwaf16dude (Post 1335785)

Basically right...their flow provisions will severely cut down on the number of "lifers" at the higher end of their longevity scales. As Bar often says, flow agreements reset longevity (or something like that). So as we start hiring, we'll take their guys at a pretty high rate before they get to the higher paid years...and of course their longevity doesn't transfer.

It's a crappy deal for the Pinnacle guys, but hopefully we will take their guys pretty quickly so that job becomes a truly temporary gig like it should be.

Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1335783)

I think that can has been kicked 2-3 years down the road BY the competition. Trainer, if it's everything I hope, may just make us uncatchable.

Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1335786)

Agreed, & I think the competition is beginning to realize they're falling behind. The trainer just may put them all in the dust.

Originally Posted by nwaf16dude (Post 1335785)

Basically right...their flow provisions will severely cut down on the number of "lifers" at the higher end of their longevity scales. As Bar often says, flow agreements reset longevity (or something like that). So as we start hiring, we'll take their guys at a pretty high rate before they get to the higher paid years...and of course their longevity doesn't transfer.

It's a crappy deal for the Pinnacle guys, but hopefully we will take their guys pretty quickly so that job becomes a truly temporary gig like it should be.

Originally Posted by Sink r8 (Post 1335789)

True, but any of us can really crank up capacity, merely by dropping the aircraft retirement rate, considering the flood of new deliveries. I tend to see AMR as eager to gain a decisive advantage in terms of network, and UCAL won't want to become #2.

A lot is being made about network breadth driving revenue premiums, and Trainer can't get you there.

Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1335774)

That hasn't stopped us in the past. Although the real deal is the kingfisher jets and HI. Remember, consolidation isn't over. The pieces have to fall into place in just the right order though.

Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1335795)

I don't want to argue for the company at our expense, so I'll just whistle past the graveyard on this one.

Originally Posted by firstmob (Post 1335797)

How many jets does Kingfisher Air have?