Originally Posted by flyallnite (Post 1376690)

*THUD*

He's right though. We do have a crapload of widebodies, even Super widebodies. Just not ones painted in DL colors.

Delta sees no need for new widebody order: Bastian






Delta Air Lines has no need to begin long-term widebody fleet replacement "any time soon", says its president Ed Bastian.
Speaking to journalists at a press conference in London, he described reports that the airline is studying a purchase of further Airbus A330s and Boeing 777s as "interesting", but said he did not see such an order as "necessary in the near future".
He says Delta's policy of "updating and modernising" its aircraft means it has the youngest widebody fleet among the major US carriers, with an average age of 12 years, and as such it has no "additional needs".
"We made a decision several years ago that we were not going to be growing that widebody fleet," he adds, noting that the airline recently invested around $1 billion on refurbishing its aircraft interiors.
Delta's only unfulfilled widebody order is for 18 Boeing 787-8s plus 50 options. With deliveries scheduled from 2020 onwards, Bastian says this is far enough in the future for the SkyTeam carrier not to have to consider altering its plans.

Originally Posted by dalad (Post 1376697)

Yeah, when management says to you they are not interested in HA, it's time to buy. Their market cap is around $350 million.

Originally Posted by JobHopper (Post 1376661)

I was the plug Captain at NWA through 2008. There was one guy junior to me but he stayed out on mil leave. A few came in below me in 2009 before the pendulum started swinging the other way. I was never more than 5 or 6 from the bottom.

My seniority is in the 8300s. Nu, there is your benchmark.

Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1376669)

IDK. Do you have those numbers? And what if the CA was displaced, and decided he wanted to stay an FO? I flew with lots of DC9 CAs who preferred 747 FO instead. So if a guy takes a VD to a WB FO position and stays there, is it still not a new upgrade?

Originally Posted by flyallnite (Post 1376690)

*THUD*

He's right though. We do have a crapload of widebodies, even Super widebodies. Just not ones painted in DL colors.

Delta sees no need for new widebody order: Bastian






Delta Air Lines has no need to begin long-term widebody fleet replacement "any time soon", says its president Ed Bastian.
Speaking to journalists at a press conference in London, he described reports that the airline is studying a purchase of further Airbus A330s and Boeing 777s as "interesting", but said he did not see such an order as "necessary in the near future".
He says Delta's policy of "updating and modernising" its aircraft means it has the youngest widebody fleet among the major US carriers, with an average age of 12 years, and as such it has no "additional needs".
"We made a decision several years ago that we were not going to be growing that widebody fleet," he adds, noting that the airline recently invested around $1 billion on refurbishing its aircraft interiors.
Delta's only unfulfilled widebody order is for 18 Boeing 787-8s plus 50 options. With deliveries scheduled from 2020 onwards, Bastian says this is far enough in the future for the SkyTeam carrier not to have to consider altering its plans.

Originally Posted by NuGuy (Post 1376610)

How many of those pilots (or those around them) were previously displaced from captain positions?...in other words, re-upgraded.

If a guy finally took an upgrade for the first time from being senior WB FO, while the guys around him have been displaced from captain's positions for a a couple years, I guess you can call that a "new captain", but it doesn't tell the whole story.

Once you upgrade the guy junior to the most junior guy that held captain, then you can say "new upgrades" and have it mean anything.

It's the same as getting a marginal pay increase after taking a large pay cut, and calling it a "raise".

Nu

Originally Posted by NuGuy (Post 1376710)

See above, at least for the north side. North side DOH is around 1998. South side would probably be a DOH of around mid-2000.

It's irrelevant if a guy got displaced from a CA seat, then decided to not re-upgrade, as someone around his immediate seniority probably would have taken that opportunity to return to the left seat or bid it for the first time.

Take a look at JobHopper's post. A quick look at the current category list shows the low # for a CA is mid 8000s. This "AE", which displaced almost as many as were awarded, the highest CA number was in the high 7000s or there abouts.

That is a long way to go before you get to JobHopper's 8300. Probably at least another 250-350 captain positions, at an absolute minimum. Same as a it's a long way to go to actually get "a raise" (never mind retirement or health care costs).

If we want to get on the web here and blovate about how wonderful things are, that's fine, but keep it in the proper context. If you want to consider it the "new normal" and use that as the new touchstone as to how things are, that's fine too, but at least have the personal integrity to say so up front.

Nu

Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1376718)

Well...all Richard has been talking about the past few years is paying down the debt, and Capacity Restraint. I thought it was a little odd when yesterday's "Widebody Order" report came out, but they did say for 2015, so I was thinking maybe they are looking for replacements to our older 767ER's, which came on line about 1991.

They've got 22 years on them and will need to be replaced eventually, unless they just keep shrinking our mainline Int. footprint, ie. more Europe cutbacks, and don't replace them at all.

Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1376347)

Homeboy is one young whale captain. He's got a few more years flying SpackleAir d.b.a Delta.

Originally Posted by Avgwhitemale (Post 1376544)

Very nice! UAL has several A350s on order. Looks like it is not a paper airplane anymore. Wouldn't it be nice to have 787s rolling in and a solid order on A350s? UAL has an impressive wb fleet....