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Jonny Drama 04-23-2013 07:31 PM


Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 1397120)
Wrong.

It's the lesser of 20/month or 25% of the seniority list in a rolling 12 months.

For 20/month to go, Compass would have to be 960 pilots. 25% of 960 = 20/month.

How big is the compass pilot group?

APC lists 439 pilots. Assuming 440 pilots at Compass, 25% of the seniority list is only:

440 pilots x .25 = 110 Compass pilots in rolling 12 months.

110 / 12 months = 9.1666

So only 9 Compass pilots approximately per month, at 110 max.

You gotta love it when you lead with a very emphatic "WRONG", and then subsequently everything that you follow with is wrong. As mentioned a couple of times before, it is the first 20 spots a month up to a quarter of the list in a rolling 12 month period (which the 1/4 max can be waived by Delta).

nwaf16dude 04-23-2013 07:31 PM


Originally Posted by Columbia (Post 1397072)
275 777s for Emirates by 2020. Gotta put them somewhere. Boeing will make sure of that.

And how many 380s?

PilotFrog 04-23-2013 07:32 PM

I just looked up some numbers on WB fleet sizes:

AA - 122 (70-767, 52-777)
US - 26 (16-330, 10-767)
United - 161 (24-747, 57-767, 74-777, 7-787) includes CO
Delta - 160 (32-330, 16-747, 94-767, 18-777)

Seems to me they are pretty even now though Delta has the huge older 767 fleet and the domestic 767 are apart of those numbers but still pretty robust WB fleet.

Emirates already has 126 777s and 199 total airplanes currently, ALL widebody.

PilotFrog 04-23-2013 07:35 PM


Originally Posted by nwaf16dude (Post 1397146)
And how many 380s?

Currently 31 with 17 on order and options to up to 90 I think.

DARR31 04-23-2013 08:27 PM


Originally Posted by Dirtdiver (Post 1395232)
Try being in ATL watching all the would-be greenslips being out-of-base whiteslipped by the NY based guys who live in Atlanta.

Try living in SEA and commuting to SLC to have someone on your jumpseat commuting from SLC to SEA because they make more as a F/O than as 320 Capt in SLC. Hopefully someday I can drive to work as the plug before I retire. Ah another pipe dream...:rolleyes:

SailorJerry 04-23-2013 08:32 PM


Originally Posted by Express pilot (Post 1397131)
If needed for SC times.
I have been told that is just a request and they do not have to honor it in Seniority order.
You want 1600-1730. You get 0630. Guy Junior to you gets 1700. You call to see what happened. "It's just a request. Would you like a 2 hour commute?"
This needs fixed.

Did junior guy YS the 1700 SC? Like be first to be called for SC (the non request). I've had good luck cherry picking SC shifts when I'm pretty sure I'm gonna get stuck with it.

So nothing needs to be fixed. If someone volunteers for SC, and picks their shift, the only thing that should trump that is a like yellow slip.

Why not try and use your seniority to bang out 3 SCs, then use your position in SC bucket 2 to leave the SCs to us junior folk?

Express pilot 04-23-2013 08:42 PM


Originally Posted by SailorJerry (Post 1397164)
Did junior guy YS the 1700 SC? Like be first to be called for SC (the non request). I've had good luck cherry picking SC shifts when I'm pretty sure I'm gonna get stuck with it.

So nothing needs to be fixed. If someone volunteers for SC, and picks their shift, the only thing that should trump that is a like yellow slip.

Why not try and use your seniority to bang out 3 SCs, then use your position in SC bucket 2 to leave the SCs to us junior folk?

I never said anything about yellow slip for a SC. I know how that works.
Everything your saying is true. In my example this was not the case. No yellow slip for SC. They just assign how they want. This is what needs to be fixed. Guy junior to me does not request to be on SC but gets the time I requested if needed for SC. They say they don't have to look at it. SC then get assigned out of Seniority order.

Timbo 04-23-2013 08:46 PM


Originally Posted by Avgwhitemale (Post 1397122)
Thank you!!! I know I am not a part of the DAL click on this website but I have been jumping up and down trying to get thoughts on this issue. I know we seem to love our crazy crummy hats and double breasted jackets but as a group we haven't been honest with ourselves. Have we given up too much top end scope? I don't expect anybody in the top 33% of our seniority list to respond to that question. They are on their last contract. For the bottom 66%....we need to ask this question. We need to address it when our next contract comes up. Take a look at near peer fleets. UAL has a very impressive wb fleet. UAL has a positive growth plan for their nb and wb fleet. DAL has a bunch of used 717s and a oil refinery. The company is making money. I believe their plan moving forward must be to expand our international footprint through JV. We simply do not have a wb fleet capable of competing.


I'm in the top 3%, with 12 years to go, can I respond? :rolleyes:

We, the top 33%, have been screaming about the loss of our wide body flying for a long time. At least 10-15 years. We can do simple math. We understand that when Delta started to code share with Air France, and we cut our flying to Paris, while A/F bought a whole bunch of new 777's to fly to the States, it was not good for Delta Pilots. At one time, 20 years ago, Delta had 55 L10-11's. We don't have that many wide bodies now, after a huge merger!

But Richard knows he cannot compete with Emirates, dollar for dollar, flight for flight, due to their cheaper financing deals through the IMEX bank deals, and all their other cost advantages. They don't ever have to make money, they can (and will) flood any market with cheap, empty seats, and drive the US Carriers out.

Why do you think DALPA and Richard have been fighting this? And who do you think is hurt more when they cut Wide Body flying? Wide Body Pilots, (the top 33%, most of whom are in their mid 50's and still have 2-3 contracts to get through) or 717 pilots? :rolleyes:

We all want more wide body flying. Now, how do you propose to force Delta to do it? Oh, and are you, in the bottom 66%, an ALPA PAC supporter? The azzhats in DC make the rules, we need to pay them to see things "Our Way". Sad, but that's what this is about.

ShyGuy 04-23-2013 09:03 PM


Originally Posted by Jonny Drama (Post 1397145)
You gotta love it when you lead with a very emphatic "WRONG", and then subsequently everything that you follow with is wrong. As mentioned a couple of times before, it is the first 20 spots a month up to a quarter of the list in a rolling 12 month period (which the 1/4 max can be waived by Delta).

Ok thanks for the correction. But end result is still the same, ~110 per year.

Jonny Drama 04-23-2013 09:10 PM


Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 1397176)
Ok thanks for the correction. But end result is still the same, ~110 per year.

Very true, unless waived by Delta. There are about 300 hundred flow eligible pilots left. And after reading the way it was written in the airline profiles, it was easy to see the confusion. I went back to add that, but my "edit" time had expired.


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