Originally Posted by nwaf16dude (Post 1396919)

SEA-CPH? Does that sound like a money maker to anyone? I have a hard time seeing that route filling up a 777/787, but what do I know? I expect we will see many more head-scratcher city pairs as EK's giant WB orders keep rolling in. They have to fly them somewhere. I see lots of money losing seats being dumped into questionable markets in our future. But, at least they have hot flight attendants.

Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1396807)

I was wondering if that would play out in our favor. We can't handle more blips. Fine, but we have people that need to travel so as long as a blip is a blip, we'll use something bigger for that one blip.



I like Alfa's idea, carry over RAW score. This way the bottom pilots aren't completely hosed month after month in the effort to reward senior pilots in category with a month off.

Say if you get to bucket 3 or 4, you get 1/2 your points applied at the beginning of the next month.

And I think the RAW score bucket size should be a mathematical equation and not a blanket year round same size thing. A little seniority, fine, 100%, no.

As I was talking to one of the most senior DC9Bs on RES, even though he benefits from it NOW he won't benefit from it if he tries to move up in planes.

Put it this way, say 20% of RES will have it rough no matter what the system is, leaving 80% for a shot at some QOL. Of that 80%, would you rather have a) all of them having a "good" QOL or b) have 10% having an excellent QOL and the rest downgraded to fair or poor to make that happen?

I'm for A because I would rather talk about moving up to the 73N then moving down to the 717. I'd rather talk later about going to the ER then staying on the 717 until I'm 50% or better on the 88. That's just me.

Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 1396920)

True, but CPZ taps out at 1/4 of their (small) list per year too. So if DL hires classes every or almost every month and 500-600 total (what we've been hearing) they could run classes with half "off the street" the first 4-5 months of the year and 100% off the street the last 7 months. One year of agressive hiring and the 9E flows are tapped out, though there would still be the guaranteed interviews, etc of course.

IOW plenty of room for off the street hires looks very, very likely. Which is, if I had to guess, exactly where the company wants to be.

Originally Posted by surfnski (Post 1396985)

20 per month from Compass
9 per month from Mesaba
??? per month from Pinnacle

These are all before off-the-street. It should pretty much fill any classes for the first few years.

500/year = 40 per month (Don't forget Delta is shrinking).

Where do you guys see room for off-the-street hiring?

Originally Posted by firstmob (Post 1396938)

Nothing said in the earnings call ref WB order!

Originally Posted by surfnski (Post 1396985)

20 per month from Compass
9 per month from Mesaba
??? per month from Pinnacle

These are all before off-the-street. It should pretty much fill any classes for the first few years.

500/year = 40 per month (Don't forget Delta is shrinking).

Where do you guys see room for off-the-street hiring?

Originally Posted by surfnski (Post 1396985)

. It should pretty much fill any classes for the first few years.

Originally Posted by surfnski (Post 1396985)

20 per month from Compass
9 per month from Mesaba
??? per month from Pinnacle

These are all before off-the-street. It should pretty much fill any classes for the first few years.

500/year = 40 per month (Don't forget Delta is shrinking).

Where do you guys see room for off-the-street hiring?

Originally Posted by Avgwhitemale (Post 1396998)

I have been asking this forum about this issue. DAL has no serious wb orders. Additionally, DL does not have a robust wb fleet capable of seriously competing on a global stage. As we sit today our global mobility (if you will) is supported by our robust JVs with foreign carriers. Please...please prove me wrong. If DAL came out tomorrow and announced a wb order, it would have to be huge to be considered a serious order. Any small order is essentially a replacement order for our aging fleet.