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Check Essential 05-02-2013 12:34 PM


Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1402168)
I couldn't help but notice when I asked this very question of our former MEC administration official on this thread, he went to radio silence.

Carl

This guy is very talented. I don't have a problem with him selling his expertise.

I'd like to know if there was any "ALPA trip drops" involved.
That would be a problem.

orvil 05-02-2013 01:06 PM


Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 1402293)
This guy is very talented. I don't have a problem with him selling his expertise.

I'd like to know if there was any "ALPA trip drops" involved.
That would be a problem.

Here is what struck me.

First, is he doing anything against ALPA National's policies? No, he isn't employed by ALPA National. He is an independent contractor who was recommended by ALPA National.

Second, is he doing anything that would violate DALPA's policies? Probably not. He isn't a current MEC administrator. He isn't on the LEC. If he receives any trip drops for this business, then it would require some very serious examination. To date, there haven't been any allegations of DALPA trip drops.

Third, is his business in violation of any Delta employment policies? Maybe. This is a really grey area. My personal opinion is the Company might not be too thrilled to discover his "side" business is helping two of their competitors.

He has expertise to sell. I just hope his activities don't get him into trouble with Delta. They could.

If Delta has a problem with this consulting, DALPA and ALPA will have to let him hang out to dry. It's a independent consulting business.

Roadkill 05-02-2013 01:28 PM


Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 1402167)
Its Section 23.U.1


19 2) will receive double pay, no credit for the portion of his GS rotation that exceeds
20 the lesser of:


I don't understand the "no credit" portion of this... how can you fly a trip with actual block time, and NOT get credit from the company and FAA for the trip? Am I not understanding what "credit" means here? What's the purpose of this no-credit, how does it help the company, or us? Can't understand it...
Thanks

nwaf16dude 05-02-2013 01:48 PM


Originally Posted by Roadkill (Post 1402319)
I don't understand the "no credit" portion of this... how can you fly a trip with actual block time, and NOT get credit from the company and FAA for the trip? Am I not understanding what "credit" means here? What's the purpose of this no-credit, how does it help the company, or us? Can't understand it...
Thanks

I never really quite understood that either. Obviously the hours count for all FAA restrictions. What I think it means is that the "no credit" time doesn't count toward your max pickup limit for the month, i.e. you could still white slip to the max credit pickup if you are legal to fly FAA wise.

iaflyer 05-02-2013 01:49 PM


Originally Posted by Roadkill (Post 1402319)
I don't understand the "no credit" portion of this... how can you fly a trip with actual block time, and NOT get credit from the company and FAA for the trip? Am I not understanding what "credit" means here? What's the purpose of this no-credit, how does it help the company, or us? Can't understand it...
Thanks

Took me a while too - a GS just gets paid double-pay, it's not counted as "Credit" for things like filling up your bank. A regular trip is "Pay and Credit".

TANSTAAFL 05-02-2013 02:01 PM


Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 1402293)
This guy is very talented. I don't have a problem with him selling his expertise.

I'd like to know if there was any "ALPA trip drops" involved.
That would be a problem.

Not if paid by the UAL MEC.

orvil 05-02-2013 02:05 PM


Originally Posted by TANSTAAFL (Post 1402346)
Not if paid by the UAL MEC.

Can a pilot be bought off of a DAL trip and be paid by the UAL MEC? That's a new one.

nwaf16dude 05-02-2013 02:13 PM

.......disregard, not going to add any fuel

Check Essential 05-02-2013 03:02 PM


Originally Posted by TANSTAAFL (Post 1402346)
Not if paid by the UAL MEC.

Doesn't matter who pays it or even if nobody pays it. If ALPA in any way facilitated dropping any trips for him to run his outside, for profit, "consulting" business then I would have a big problem with that.

Can I get a second job and have "ALPA" trip drops when it conflicts with my Delta schedule?

We don't know if trip drops occurred. I highly doubt it. That would be a pretty serious ethical lapse.

scambo1 05-02-2013 03:41 PM


Originally Posted by Roadkill (Post 1402319)
I don't understand the "no credit" portion of this... how can you fly a trip with actual block time, and NOT get credit from the company and FAA for the trip? Am I not understanding what "credit" means here? What's the purpose of this no-credit, how does it help the company, or us? Can't understand it...
Thanks

It helps the company because the trip operates. It helps the greenslipper because he is "legal" to fly the trip regardless of current monthly block hours. IOW, it is not counted for "time" as far as you or the company is concerned it just counts for pay.

I have no idea if it is tracked for FAR limits.


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