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Old 06-16-2013 | 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
Shiz, is this right?

Why the fancy charts with this latest bid and the note of possibly more D's to come?
Old 06-16-2013 | 11:57 AM
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Dear biigD,

I have swamp crotch year round. What can I do to help this issue?

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Also, one side benefit to the use of gold bond is the bonus of random tingles that spontaneously provide your sac that afternoon pick-me-up to help you gut through your 4th and 5th legs.

I only repost this because it appears several of our aviator brothers have recently found the happiness known as gold bond


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Happy Father's Day all!

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Old 06-16-2013 | 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by shiznit
Word on the street is incorrect.

Furlough bypass pilots have spots in the first classes...
Originally Posted by boog123
Why the fancy charts with this latest bid and the note of possibly more D's to come?
I know that's the way it works ... but moving backwards another 200 numbers (a lot of furlough bypass are now senior 88, lower half ER, post merger) is going to cause even more pain.

From where I sit, that's half the C2012 scope Captain creation right there ....

Is 200 an accurate number? Sounds high. If true, that really, really, sucks. Junior part of our list needs some relief.

Talked to a Jet Blue Captain who hired in the same month I did at Delta. He is an E190 Captain (remember the type we kicked to the curb with Compass) at 50% seniority holding weekends off. Makes a lot more than I do flying a so called "regional jet" type.
Old 06-16-2013 | 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
I know that's the way it works ... but moving backwards another 200 numbers (a lot of furlough bypass are now senior 88, lower half ER, post merger) is going to cause even more pain.

From where I sit, that's half the C2012 scope Captain creation right there ....

Is 200 an accurate number? Sounds high. If true, that really, really, sucks. Junior part of our list needs some relief.

Talked to a Jet Blue Captain who hired in the same month I did at Delta. He is an E190 Captain (remember the type we kicked to the curb with Compass) at 50% seniority holding weekends off. Makes a lot more than I do flying a so called "regional jet" type.
Shiz's numbers are right. Go to crew planning category list and keyword FUR / B and you'll see 203 on furlough bypass. Keyword MIL / and you'll fine 7 A's that are out on MIL leave and 177 Bs. Put it all together and that's 387 FUR/MIL guys out there to help us staff the 717s and at best 739s through displacements.

Is everyone going to return? Who knows. I talked to a Captain whose buddy is out on MIL leave and just keeps monitoring where he'd be if he came back and isn't coming back until he's in a good ER FO seniority.

Which now that that's getting harder to do, I guess you could say some might not come back if all that awaits is juniority and the MD88.

Can I get an AMEN for JVs, codeshares with Alaska and jumbo Regional Jets?!?

Old 06-16-2013 | 01:03 PM
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To my fellow APCr's. I owe you for(and a commercial with Shaq) a discussion a few days back for a new found happiness in my life. Goldbond spray. It is exhilarating, refreshing, and a down right "party in your pants". Thank you, thank you, thank you.
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Old 06-16-2013 | 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by boog123
Why the fancy charts with this latest bid and the note of possibly more D's to come?
Shiz was explaining how classes would be staffed. For those of us who hadn't looked at it, it kind of helps to understand it. Especially for the off the street hopefully all hired at Delta guys who frequent this cesspool of knowledge.

One thing that would be interesting to look at is expected retirements. We have 857 between now and the end of 2017, or really a net of 758 considering 99 are out on NBC. And unlike baseball, most people don't get bigger, stronger and healthier with age... Cubs and Cardinals fans cough cough.

Anyways, we need to hire 17.9 or 15.8 pilots per month from 2014-2017 to keep up with retirements. Now we know guys leave prior to that and it's unpredictable but it's just a ballpark gauge. The real gauge is how many pilots fly the line every month, right now is around the 10,500 range and has been for a while. If nobody was unable to bid for FUR, MIL, SICK, etc we'd have 10,500 pilots. If that makes a move towards 9,000 more than a move towards 11,000 and there's no external reason for that then we need to have a conversation.
Old 06-16-2013 | 01:15 PM
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Quick question, say your going from a line in June to RES in July. How does a GS spillover work?

Our GS's here on the 88 are flowing. Just like Aspen, where the beer flows like wine. And I want to put myself in position later in the month to GS.
Old 06-16-2013 | 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
Someone mentioned that it could be as few as 30 new hires per month. What would that breakout be?
Originally Posted by MrMustache
All flow throughs and no SSP, could be wrong...
20 CPZ
9. MSA
1. Off the street. (1/3 of 1 position would round down to 0 right? I'm guessing here.... That whole "rounded to the nearest integer" thing.)

The fun part is if there are only 24 seats available in one of the early "post bypass" months...
20 CPZ
9 MSA

-5 from someone!!!! Is it ratioed below that or does one group have piority? Anyone, Bueller?
Old 06-16-2013 | 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
Shiz was explaining how classes would be staffed. For those of us who hadn't looked at it, it kind of helps to understand it. Especially for the off the street hopefully all hired at Delta guys who frequent this cesspool of knowledge.

One thing that would be interesting to look at is expected retirements. We have 857 between now and the end of 2017, or really a net of 758 considering 99 are out on NBC. And unlike baseball, most people don't get bigger, stronger and healthier with age... Cubs and Cardinals fans cough cough.

Anyways, we need to hire 17.9 or 15.8 pilots per month from 2014-2017 to keep up with retirements. Now we know guys leave prior to that and it's unpredictable but it's just a ballpark gauge. The real gauge is how many pilots fly the line every month, right now is around the 10,500 range and has been for a while. If nobody was unable to bid for FUR, MIL, SICK, etc we'd have 10,500 pilots. If that makes a move towards 9,000 more than a move towards 11,000 and there's no external reason for that then we need to have a conversation.
758 retirees, and the 88 717's (~1000 positions) WILL mean more mainline positions and advancement... The remaining 90's will offset the departing 9's, so that puts us back to a 11,500 flying number at least....with 1,300 at the bottom minimum..

Finishing the lie flat mods will put a lot more airframes on the ramp (1-2 330's and 5 ER's all offline at any given time is a healthy # of positions @~26 per 330 and @~22 per ER, or another ~225-275 total seats not staffed now)

The big wildcard is the "rumored" growth WB order and the 320/757 swaps/delayed retirements(?) with the 900's, and the 30 options and/or a 20-30 321 rumor.

Lotsa rumor and speculation, doubt all of it will come to fruition, but there is some "for sure" growth and a LOT of potential.
Old 06-16-2013 | 03:15 PM
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Shiz if I quote you I'll spend forever scrolling on this phone. Id love to get 11500 but we are sending nearly 300 guys to the 717 internally without hiring and claiming its because of overstaffing. So at best the 88 717s aren't going to achieve 100% growth for pilots. But I hope we bow up on the west coast and all of those rumors cone true and there are a lot less replacement and more growth.

If we push out the Alaska deal I guess its better late than never. But there's no denying thats some growth.
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