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Old 06-15-2013 | 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted by DLpilot
Witnessed a nonrev story today.

Family of 4 nonrevs get on. Dad gets a seat in first class. Mom and kids are stuck in coach. Turns out that we are short one seat in coach. Mom and kids will have to get off. Dad remains on and enjoys his first class seat leaving his young family at the airport. What do you think he will get for Father's day?




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Old 06-15-2013 | 09:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Avgwhitemale
That's funny...I guarantee the next child she has won't belong to him.
Maybe they look like the UPS man?
Old 06-15-2013 | 09:39 PM
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Originally Posted by NERD
Remember the -400 out of Dtw?
I was there that day and had just pushed back. When they came rolling by, all I could say was yikes.
Old 06-15-2013 | 09:47 PM
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Originally Posted by cni187
Bingo! It's like hearing the guys ask what other people are doing about the weather ahead. Fly your own plane!!
Ha! Did you ever fly the DC-9?
Old 06-15-2013 | 10:04 PM
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Originally Posted by newKnow
Ha! Did you ever fly the DC-9?
The radar in the CRJ was just awful. I always prioritized visual first, then radar and compare notes with ATC.

There were a number of times where I just dropped down to 10,000 or so and visually shimmied my way around. One of those times, I was fat dumb and happy down at 12,000 or so cruising by the waistlines of the storms in smooth air. All my buddies going into the same area either went hundreds of miles around or got the crap kicked out of them.

I was very thankful growing up hearing stories and techniques from the old Southern Airways bubbas at times like that! They have proven themselves over many times though many have either forgotten or never heard the art.

The radars on the Delta fleets are good enough where we can do just fine on our own outside of visual.. and I think the Airbus has the worst one, but it still is better than what was on the CRJ. Regardless.. no excuse to go through an area even if ATC is being obtuse. If we require a vector, I always state that we require that heading, we're not asking.

I'll be interested to see if we hear something about this incident in the coming weeks. I'll never forget at Pinnacle I ended up having to repo a plane that had half the winglet blown off from a lightening strike... I asked the captain what happened. "ATC wouldn't give us the deviation we needed so I went through the cell." Cue wide eyes and facepalm.
Old 06-15-2013 | 10:28 PM
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Old 06-16-2013 | 03:53 AM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
I'll be interested to see if we hear something about this incident in the coming weeks.
Knowing Delta, probably not!! They seem (most likely legal) to keep these type events very hush hush, which is ridiculous, as line pilots could learn a lot from someone elses mistake or decision!
Old 06-16-2013 | 04:05 AM
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Originally Posted by sinca3
Knowing Delta, probably not!! They seem (most likely legal) to keep these type events very hush hush, which is ridiculous, as line pilots could learn a lot from someone elses mistake or decision!

I'll bet there's some, "How not to avoid a line of thunderstorms" in the next CQ CD?
Old 06-16-2013 | 05:17 AM
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Happy Father's Day to all you sperm donors out there!

And here's some more acoustic Led to get you up and going this morning! Stick with it, at about 3:00 Jimmy goes off on a two minute solo. Great stuff:

Led Zeppelin - Earl's Court (1975) - "Bron-Yr-Aur Stomp" - YouTube

And this, I love when he switches from 6 to 12 string after the first verse, and then goes to electric later:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EVNeh9dasI

That's all from me, I've got to get out on the lake now, before the thunderstorms come!

Hope all you Mother F'rs have a great Father's day!
Old 06-16-2013 | 05:27 AM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
The radar in the CRJ was just awful. I always prioritized visual first, then radar and compare notes with ATC.

There were a number of times where I just dropped down to 10,000 or so and visually shimmied my way around. One of those times, I was fat dumb and happy down at 12,000 or so cruising by the waistlines of the storms in smooth air. All my buddies going into the same area either went hundreds of miles around or got the crap kicked out of them.

I was very thankful growing up hearing stories and techniques from the old Southern Airways bubbas at times like that! They have proven themselves over many times though many have either forgotten or never heard the art.

The radars on the Delta fleets are good enough where we can do just fine on our own outside of visual.. and I think the Airbus has the worst one, but it still is better than what was on the CRJ. Regardless.. no excuse to go through an area even if ATC is being obtuse. If we require a vector, I always state that we require that heading, we're not asking.
Just to put a finer point on this, the question becomes what do you do when ATC still says "unable"? It is at that point you must declare an emergency and do what you feel is best. If you don't declare an emergency, you will very likely be violated for not following an ATC clearance.

Emergency declarations are almost free...they only require an ASAP afterwards.

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