Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
Just kidding. Hiring couldn't start soon enough for me. I've moved up 600 numbers since 2010, but have been displaced twice.
The captain I'm flying stated that commuting is a choice...I informed him about pilots with families who are stuck with homes that may be under water with respect to their mortgage...he then qualified his statement. I suppose I could have moved three times in three years, moving my wife, four children and 20,000 lbs of household goods each time.
The captain I'm flying stated that commuting is a choice...I informed him about pilots with families who are stuck with homes that may be under water with respect to their mortgage...he then qualified his statement. I suppose I could have moved three times in three years, moving my wife, four children and 20,000 lbs of household goods each time.
Ok Carl, my bet for you will be all the gyoza you can eat that we will have more pilots at the end of 2014 then the beginning.
I'm not taking sides in this argument but I will add some basic economic facts. The DL pilots share of the financial pie is a finite amount. How the pilots divide our portion is up to us, we can add 20% more pilots but then we have 2000 more pilots so each individual pilots portion will be smaller ( on average ).
If we continue to shrink, we won't need to hire because retirements will keep us at proper pilot levels and displacements will continue. If we stagnate, we'll need to hire to replace retirees and at least the displacements should stop...but advancements will be few. Our eyes need to be kept on year over year block hour growth. It is that metric that will require hiring to both replace retirees and support airline growth. If that happens, then I'll gladly buy you the steak dinner.
Carl
+1 Hear the same type of thing all the time followed by their lack of movement in category as well as hiring. I can't help but eye roll with these guys.
The company actually counts on us green slipping to get through the summer months. Again, I have no issue with guys who green slip or roll thunder, I just don't want to hear these guys complain about dal not hiring.
I sometimes feel as though I'm in the minority of guys who are happy with guarantee and not working on days off.
The company actually counts on us green slipping to get through the summer months. Again, I have no issue with guys who green slip or roll thunder, I just don't want to hear these guys complain about dal not hiring.
I sometimes feel as though I'm in the minority of guys who are happy with guarantee and not working on days off.
I'm surprised nobody has commented on DALPA's latest innovation. "VACATION ANY"
That little gem is going to cost us another several hundred jobs.
Forget spring hiring. Maybe now we can avoid hiring until fall of 2014.
With this latest "improvement" to PBS we can now move those pesky vacations out of the way and pack more trips onto our lines in vacation months. What a great deal! Just break up the vacation and stick it on any left over individual days when we aren't flying anyway. Pretty much the same as the old "vacation sell back" but without all the embarrassment of actually selling it back.
What is DALPA thinking? Is this really what the membership wants? Fly to the FAR's? Eliminate vacations?
Don't guys realize the correlation between this stuff and displacements?
I am thoroughly disgusted with this trend of destroying jobs in the name of more productivity and more flight hours per month. We are never going to see any advancement on our list if DALPA keeps coming up with these things.
Is it really a good thing to have 20 years as a first officer before the first chance to upgrade? Our union has lost its way.
Maybe its just me (and apparently Timbo) who would like to go back to the old motto --
MORE MONEY MORE TIME OFF !
Last edited by Check Essential; 06-23-2013 at 08:40 AM.
Just kidding. Hiring couldn't start soon enough for me. I've moved up 600 numbers since 2010, but have been displaced twice.
The captain I'm flying stated that commuting is a choice...I informed him about pilots with families who are stuck with homes that may be under water with respect to their mortgage...he then qualified his statement. I suppose I could have moved three times in three years, moving my wife, four children and 20,000 lbs of household goods each time.
The captain I'm flying stated that commuting is a choice...I informed him about pilots with families who are stuck with homes that may be under water with respect to their mortgage...he then qualified his statement. I suppose I could have moved three times in three years, moving my wife, four children and 20,000 lbs of household goods each time.
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Now after defending DALPA on the this very issue I will say DALPA was given a golden opportunity to do exactly what you mentioned and totally blew it, in my opinion one of DALPA's biggest failures.
Let me set the scene. We were in BK. We had over one thousand Pilots furloughed. DCI was hiring like gangbusters. We either had an 1113 hanging over our head or already agreed to LOA 46, not sure. The company reduced Green-slips to 150% pay and did not count leaves, sick leave, vacation etc toward the green slip trigger.[B] In other words we had no status-quo, the company changed our contract.
Let me set the scene. We were in BK. We had over one thousand Pilots furloughed. DCI was hiring like gangbusters. We either had an 1113 hanging over our head or already agreed to LOA 46, not sure. The company reduced Green-slips to 150% pay and did not count leaves, sick leave, vacation etc toward the green slip trigger.[B] In other words we had no status-quo, the company changed our contract.
No, the company did not "change" our contract. It WAS our new contract that we the pilots voted for. It still WAS the status quo, painful as it was.
Did DALPA rise to the occasion and put out the word - "Hey, guys no extra flying with furloughs on the street." Hell No! We were given a total freebie, we had no status-quo, the exact reason we were sued a few years prior and we blew it. Guys were Green-slipping like crazy with over one thousand Delta Pilots on the street. Hiding behind some BS status-quo threat when no such status-quo existed for 150% green-slips. We totally blew it.
ANYTHING else is illegal. Sorry, that is the RLA for you. But it works both ways. I remember when Leo Mullin was CEO and he was pushing Congress for "baseball style arbitration" in the RLA and remove the ability for unions to strike. It was a blatant anti-labor move. The words had hardly left Mullin's mouth when you could hear (then ALPA president ) Duane Worth sputtering all the way from Herndon, VA. "This is anti-labor" (which was true) but even more telling, Worth reiterated over and over "the RLA has worked well for many decades, almost all contracts are resolved without labor needing to strike and/or mgmt needing to lock-out/hire replacements" etc etc and "the RLA has served the aviation industry well for decades, and thus there is no reason to change it." (emphasis added)
So what does that mean? If we are under the umbrella of the RLA, we have to adhere to ALL the provisions of it--not just the ones that are convenient to us today. That means NO self-help, no grass-roots "hey don't fly GS this month" or "hey, lets all call in sick" (a la the APA and their sickout) unless specifically and clearly called for by your union leadership as explicitly permitted by the RLA--as excruciating as that might be at times.
By the way, that does not mean that you MUST fly O/T. I have flown 4 GS in 16+ years. I didn't even dream of flying a GS while we had guys on the street. I don't know if that really brought them back any sooner than they otherwise would have anyway, but I just couldn't look myself in the mirror and accept a premium pay trip while we had guys furloughed--just couldn't do it.
What it does mean is that if a guy is flying as the contract allows, you can't leave nastygrams in his file, post his schedule on some bulletin board etc, just because you don't like it. If it is truly that bad, then petition your union to change the contract. (This by the way is a whole different scenario than someone who performs struck work, which makes him a scab. But again, there should never be any doubt as to what formally defined struck work is).
Not only that, but sometime around then we agreed to allow retired Pilots, who had received their lump sums, to come back and help Delta man some of the senior positions. The company figured out we were short in some of the senior categories and came to DALPA for help. DALPA of course, obliged.
Not sure what, if anything we got for that. Maybe just the satisfaction of helping an incompetent management team get out from under one of their screw ups.
Not DALPA's finest hour.
Scoop
Not sure what, if anything we got for that. Maybe just the satisfaction of helping an incompetent management team get out from under one of their screw ups.
Not DALPA's finest hour.
Scoop
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