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Old 06-29-2013 | 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Xray678
How do you propose moving to LGP without someone getting a paycut? The total pilot payroll will not change because we want a new pay system. That's where the idea of longevity pay falls apart. For every pilot that gets more money, another pilot will get less.
That makes no sense. You are assuming that the payroll remains static. It will be increasing. Some might more than others, but nobody will take a paycut.
Old 06-29-2013 | 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
That makes no sense. You are assuming that the payroll remains static. It will be increasing. Some might more than others, but nobody will take a paycut.
My point is the payroll will not be any different because we want LGP. If the next contract would have brought a 10% increase, it will still be a 10% increase no matter what kind of pay we want.

So how do you sell it if some guys are going to get a 1% pay raise while others get a 15% pay raise. Do you really think something like that would pass a vote?

Further, how do you handle staffing as you shift to LGP? Do you rebid the entire airline? Cause a guy who is sitting junior reserve at a crappy crashpad at LGA is not going to want to stay there if his pay is the same either way. Again, for every pilot who gets a good deal someone else will get the shaft. A pilot who is junior in ATL but not commuting may well be forced to commute when that senior pilot who was commuting to LGA for the money decides to come home.

How far do you run out the pay scale? 20 years? 25 years? How do you set it up so a pilot gets a raise every year for 25 years without lowering the rates for years 1-12?

LGP creates more problems than it solves. It's a pipe dream for few lazy pilots who want 777 pay without having to commute to a base where the 777 is flown.
Old 06-29-2013 | 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Gearjerk
Looking for some destination tips.

My wife and I are planninga trip to Seattle over the July 4th holiday. (July 3rd - 5th)

Anyone have any suggestions of must places to go for eats, sightseeing, and/or great places to stay. Planning, of course, to run down to the Pike Place Market, but other than that, haven't ever been downtown Seattle. (Been to Ft. Lewis once, but would rather leave that experience in my past!)

Thanks for the reply.

GJ
Ivar's Acre of clams on the pier has great food and a happy hour starting at 3pm every day. Great oyster shooters, clam chowder, fish tacos, crab cakes, and excellent beers. Highly recommended.
Old 06-29-2013 | 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Gearjerk
Looking for some destination tips.

My wife and I are planning a trip to Seattle over the July 4th holiday. (July 3rd - 5th)

Anyone have any suggestions of must places to go for eats, sightseeing, and/or great places to stay. Planning, of course, to run down to the Pike Place Market, but other than that, haven't ever been downtown Seattle. (Been to Ft. Lewis once, but would rather leave that experience in my past!)

Thanks for the reply.

GJ
Go over to Kenmore and show your ID. If there's space they can get you a discounted ride up around the San Juan's in a float plane.
Old 06-29-2013 | 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
Ivar's Acre of clams on the pier has great food and a happy hour starting at 3pm every day. Great oyster shooters, clam chowder, fish tacos, crab cakes, and excellent beers. Highly recommended.
+1. Very inexpensive and delicious.

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Old 06-29-2013 | 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
Ivar's Acre of clams on the pier has great food and a happy hour starting at 3pm every day. Great oyster shooters, clam chowder, fish tacos, crab cakes, and excellent beers. Highly recommended.
Ivar's has the best New England clam chowder too. It's my favorite place to eat lunch on the waterfront. (When friends are in town)

I forgot to mention you can do a tour of underground Seattle too.


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Old 06-29-2013 | 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Gearjerk
Looking for some destination tips.

My wife and I are planning a trip to Seattle over the July 4th holiday. (July 3rd - 5th)

Anyone have any suggestions of must places to go for eats, sightseeing, and/or great places to stay. Planning, of course, to run down to the Pike Place Market, but other than that, haven't ever been downtown Seattle. (Been to Ft. Lewis once, but would rather leave that experience in my past!)

Thanks for the reply.

GJ
Shorty's: 2222 2nd Ave. Dive bar with classic video games and pinball machines. Wife and I loved it!
Old 06-29-2013 | 08:07 PM
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Note to self (and others here on rsv)- If you deviate back end or front end dhd, that duty period you deviated from (if it consisted only of the dhd) no longer counts as a duty period and can count as part of your 24 hours off in 7.

Signed: 80ktsClamp working 8 days in a row because I deviated.


Oh, and as part of that streak- I did a "dinner and a movie" (well, no movie on fifi, so "dinner and play angry birds on my ipad") today. CA 1 was on his 3rd GS, CA 2 was on his 5th, and the other FO was on his 2nd.
Old 06-29-2013 | 08:11 PM
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This place is really worth a visit:

Seattle Japanese Garden | Home

Here are more photos:

https://www.google.com/search?q=seat...w=1024&bih=672
Old 06-29-2013 | 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
Note to self (and others here on rsv)- If you deviate back end or front end dhd, that duty period you deviated from (if it consisted only of the dhd) no longer counts as a duty period and can count as part of your 24 hours off in 7.

Signed: 80ktsClamp working 8 days in a row because I deviated.


Oh, and as part of that streak- I did a "dinner and a movie" (well, no movie on fifi, so "dinner and play angry birds on my ipad") today. CA 1 was on his 3rd GS, CA 2 was on his 5th, and the other FO was on his 2nd.
You're so overstaffed on that thing.
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