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tsquare 06-17-2013 07:59 AM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1429580)
Having more categories is only an advantage if a person is bidding into them instead of being displaced out of them ... .


There are other factors too. They are non union. If they get bought by anybody other than DAL, they are screwed. Would you still believe your compatriot is in a better position? If it is fair to look backward, it is also fair to look forward although forward vision is not 20/20. I know a guy that bailed DAL during BK for SWA. I am not so sure that other than the fact that he is driving to work (which might well be a great decision for him) that that was a better choice. I THINK.. he would be holding 7ER-A right now had he stayed.

The dam will break here. Eventually.

My glass is still half full.

Bucking Bar 06-17-2013 08:05 AM


Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1429584)
My glass is still half full.

Management says if the glass is half full, then it has twice the capacity needed and will reduce capacity until it achieves maximum utilization of the glass.

tsquare 06-17-2013 08:11 AM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1429588)
Management says if the glass is half full, then it has twice the capacity needed and will reduce capacity until it achieves maximum utilization of the glass.

That is a really sad perspective.

forgot to bid 06-17-2013 08:16 AM


Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1429567)
I get your pessimism somewhat, but I don't think it has much merit in this case. We already have (coming) 88 aircraft that fit this metric. I don't think DAL needs any more (although I cannot prove that). Assuming we did, the precedent is already in place for them to be at mainline. How could the company legitimately sell the need to have them at the regionals? The camel looks into everybody's tents ya know..

And I understand that, the 717s are huge in that regard, but if we do acquire 321s then we a re running multiple aircraft at the same size. But I get what you're saying. I guess I don't like the neighbor using my yard.

tsquare 06-17-2013 08:19 AM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1429594)
And I understand that, the 717s are huge in that regard, but if we do acquire 321s then we a re running multiple aircraft at the same size. But I get what you're saying. I guess I don't like the neighbor using my yard.


321s are closer to a 757 than a 717...

Mr A doesn't seem to care how many different types we have here. If he can turn a profit with them, he probably would buy everything on the planet.

My concern is well documented. We get smaller and smaller, we make less and less. Period.

georgetg 06-17-2013 08:33 AM


Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1429591)
That is a really sad perspective...
...The dam will break here. Eventually.
My glass is still half full.


I was pretty optimistic too:
  • I was going to be back in LA driving to work
  • 3% pay increase early next year.
  • New aircraft arriving and the "last displacement bid" over.
  • Looking forward to possibly holding a line in 1-2 years.

Then the last AE came, so here's where I stand:
  • 4th displacement.
  • 9th consecutive base assignment
  • -6.3% pay cut
  • 1500 mile/8-10 hour commute to work

I was looking forward to getting into 73N LAX and finally staying put.
I didn't think that with 4 years of continued profit and a more than doubling 73N fleet I would not be able to hold and stay in a base/aircraft that I held as a brand new new-hire on day one at Delta.

It's easy to have a sunny disposition if you stagnate in a category/seat you enjoy. I hope to share your optimism and content one day...

Cheers
George

Bucking Bar 06-17-2013 08:45 AM

George,

Sorry to hear that news. Condolences. Thanks for the report. Without those sort of details some just don't get it.

dalad 06-17-2013 08:50 AM

Lol, I had to come off lurk on that one. When I lived in Lagrange I had a neighbor who hooked up his hoses and had a power cord running from my house while I was on vacation. he was supposed to be checking my mail only. Imagine his surprise when I came home two days early to fly a trip I picked up. We lived in a pretty nice neighborhood too. Oops, that was supposed to be a reply to FTB's post.

DALMD88FO 06-17-2013 09:59 AM


Originally Posted by georgetg (Post 1429607)
I was pretty optimistic too:
  • I was going to be back in LA driving to work
  • 3% pay increase early next year.
  • New aircraft arriving and the "last displacement bid" over.
  • Looking forward to possibly holding a line in 1-2 years.

Then the last AE came, so here's where I stand:
  • 4th displacement.
  • 9th consecutive base assignment
  • -6.3% pay cut
  • 1500 mile/8-10 hour commute to work

I was looking forward to getting into 73N LAX and finally staying put.
I didn't think that with 4 years of continued profit and a more than doubling 73N fleet I would not be able to hold and stay in a base/aircraft that I held as a brand new new-hire on day one at Delta.

It's easy to have a sunny disposition if you stagnate in a category/seat you enjoy. I hope to share your optimism and content one day...

Cheers
George

Let's see 3 years furloughed, 32% paycut when I did come back to stay out of bankruptcy, then another 14% paycut in bankruptcy, loss of retirement, base closed, and a merger that has stagnated pretty much everyone. If you've been getting a steady paycheck every two weeks then you've been doing better than the over two thousand pilots on the list that haven't.

Not to make light of your life right now, but you aren't stressing on feeding your family either.

forgot to bid 06-17-2013 10:11 AM


Originally Posted by dalad (Post 1429618)
Lol, I had to come off lurk on that one. When I lived in Lagrange I had a neighbor who hooked up his hoses and had a power cord running from my house while I was on vacation. he was supposed to be checking my mail only. Imagine his surprise when I came home two days early to fly a trip I picked up. We lived in a pretty nice neighborhood too. Oops, that was supposed to be a reply to FTB's post.

Ooooh. I'd be mad too. But the expression on their face would be priceless when you stroll up.

BTW, before we moved to our house the neighbors down the street (a lo of them) like to walk up our driveway to cut to the pool. We have a fence but they still end up walking on the property as they go to the pool. It's a private area for sure, not a public one.

I tried to be a good neighbor but when I left the garage door open (opens to the side of the house) and walked out to find an entire family walking up the drive way and without thinking twice they all squeeze around my truck and a tree and continue on to the pool. I was not happy. Then at 2am when a bunch of teenagers did it, I had a fit. The HOA was like "oh don't worry those are really good kids..."

I didn't even acknowledge that when it was said. They fixed the problem the next day. But for some reason kids in my neighborhood (great neighborhood with no problems) just walk through peoples yards without a second thought. Then I noticed, so do their parents.

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/i...vWwpqAaf8ujtcg

I know I know. I'm that guy now. But yards are a lot of work.


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