Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
07-04-2013 | 08:50 AM
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From: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler
You know better than that Bar. Category was the exact primary consideration. It sure the hell wasn't longevity. The only slight modification from a pure category ratio was the small number of pull and plug. And the number of pulled & plugged pilots equaled the number of fNWA pilots that retired early within months of the SLI. Double that number now 3+ years later. You guys won the merger case, we lost it. Period. Life goes on.
Carl
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07-04-2013 | 08:59 AM
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I was under the impression that personal medical information is confidential. If I have to send/fax my medical information, even in general terms, to some phone number at the company, that is obviously not private. This doesn't seem right to me. If I am required to send in a doctors note stating the general nature of my illness, maybe "he wasn't feeling 100%" will do.
07-04-2013 | 09:01 AM
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Fine. Relative (ratioed) seniority with two airlines that had similar equipment. No difference.
Your perennial whining about pull and plug is what's silly. It was a few hundred guys. Your side correctly worried about what would happen if those guys didn't retire and stayed til 65. Instead, that number of guys retired early months after the SLI was printed. Since then, over double that number have left early...exactly what we told the arbitrator would happen. But the arbitrator didn't buy it and only gave us partial credit for those guys. That's what happens when you lose.
Life goes on. But I hope you don't have these discussions around fNWA guys. Kicking sand in the losers' face is unwise.
Carl
Your perennial whining about pull and plug is what's silly. It was a few hundred guys. Your side correctly worried about what would happen if those guys didn't retire and stayed til 65. Instead, that number of guys retired early months after the SLI was printed. Since then, over double that number have left early...exactly what we told the arbitrator would happen. But the arbitrator didn't buy it and only gave us partial credit for those guys. That's what happens when you lose.
Life goes on. But I hope you don't have these discussions around fNWA guys. Kicking sand in the losers' face is unwise.
Carl
07-04-2013 | 09:02 AM
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The above highlighted area is the reality that you recognize as good. What should be happening is rather than being displaced every bid there should be advanced entitlements every bid. When that happens there are very few displacements. But you have never experienced that so you just assume that what you are currently experiencing is the norm and there for good.
I hope that one day you will have the opportunity to know what actual advancement is but I'm a little skeptical for the next 5-7 years, since it appears they are going to use the 75/76 to fund the 717 and 737. Or at least that is what they said 2 days ago in the crew resources letter.
I hope that one day you will have the opportunity to know what actual advancement is but I'm a little skeptical for the next 5-7 years, since it appears they are going to use the 75/76 to fund the 717 and 737. Or at least that is what they said 2 days ago in the crew resources letter.
Apparently though that isn't the case. Questions are being asked! The company is already making calls to pilots in the first few weeks of the program. If you DON'T answer the phone, you can expect not to be paid for your sick leave. Did we have THAT in the last contract? So that's not really a choice that works for most of us, is it?
The company is using the loophole created by the "good faith basis" language in the contract to require verification from whomever it deems worthy of harassment. THAT's the bottom line. Call your rep all you want, we codified this behavior and now it's the law. Although I suspect this completely violates the HIPAA Act of 1996.
From a company email yesterday:
"Q5.5: My CPO calls me regarding a good faith basis to inquire into the medical reason for my use of sick leave. Do I need to provide verification?
A5.5: It depends. Based on the discussion, your CPO may either (1) consider the current sick leave occurrence to be verified, or (2) require you to provide verification."
So, "BASED ON THE DISCUSSION"- I may be required to provide verification...
I guess that pretty much leaves it up to the CPO to decide, doesn't it? If I don't answer the phone, I'm not going to be getting paid sick leave, am I? What will my reps do to have my sick leave paid if I don't have this "discussion"? I suspect the answer is "nothing" because we specifically authorized this new sick leave harassment policy. We authorized it and the company created a NEW DEPARTMENT to administer it. Enjoy!
The company is using the loophole created by the "good faith basis" language in the contract to require verification from whomever it deems worthy of harassment. THAT's the bottom line. Call your rep all you want, we codified this behavior and now it's the law. Although I suspect this completely violates the HIPAA Act of 1996.
From a company email yesterday:
"Q5.5: My CPO calls me regarding a good faith basis to inquire into the medical reason for my use of sick leave. Do I need to provide verification?
A5.5: It depends. Based on the discussion, your CPO may either (1) consider the current sick leave occurrence to be verified, or (2) require you to provide verification."
So, "BASED ON THE DISCUSSION"- I may be required to provide verification...
I guess that pretty much leaves it up to the CPO to decide, doesn't it? If I don't answer the phone, I'm not going to be getting paid sick leave, am I? What will my reps do to have my sick leave paid if I don't have this "discussion"? I suspect the answer is "nothing" because we specifically authorized this new sick leave harassment policy. We authorized it and the company created a NEW DEPARTMENT to administer it. Enjoy!
Who told you that you can expect to not get paid? I don't see that anywhere. If you're not tapped out on your 100 hours of unverified sick time then you'll get paid. Don't answer your phone. You don't have to.
07-04-2013 | 09:10 AM
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From: Stay THIRSTY, my friends!
If you are required to provide verification in order to use sick leave, and you don't provide verification, do you think you'll get paid? Nobody else in the company gets paid. Why would it be any different for us? You are doling out bad advice. If you don't play the game and verify your sick leave if and when requested by the CPO, you ain't gettin' paid. Period.
07-04-2013 | 09:17 AM
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From: Light Chop
Happy July 4th!!!!!
And word to the wise, careful driving through 80ktsclamp's neighborhood when he's letting the fireworks go...
As 80 said "well, that sucked, I didn't mean for it to go so high!"
Seriously would post "firework fails" from youtube but the profanity is too much. I think the F word is everyones favorite when $10 bombs go off in their face.
And word to the wise, careful driving through 80ktsclamp's neighborhood when he's letting the fireworks go...
As 80 said "well, that sucked, I didn't mean for it to go so high!"
Seriously would post "firework fails" from youtube but the profanity is too much. I think the F word is everyones favorite when $10 bombs go off in their face.
07-04-2013 | 09:24 AM
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From: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler
On my end of the list, the differences were more dramatic. 76ER lineholders were merged with DC9 FO's, many of whom did not want to return to their NWA jobs and were out on furlough bypass. Along those lines, some of the A320 guys probably felt robbed too.
It is what it is. I'll be polite, but damned if I'll cower. Same as I told the 63 YO f-NWA 73A who was explaining his 4.5 million dollar retirement set up, plus defined plan (which candidly I did not understand ... told him I had nothing before, or after, does not matter to me, but there are some who lost a lot that probably would not be as receptive to the conversation)
07-04-2013 | 09:24 AM
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If you are required to provide verification in order to use sick leave, and you don't provide verification, do you think you'll get paid? Nobody else in the company gets paid. Why would it be any different for us? You are doling out bad advice. If you don't play the game and verify your sick leave if and when requested by the CPO, you ain't gettin' paid. Period.
I'm out for now. Time to grill and drink beer. Happy 4th.
07-04-2013 | 09:27 AM
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From: Light Chop
A couple of weeks ago I caught a summer cold. Called in sick. Sucked. I hate making that call because you know they don't believe you.
Anyways I got better and flew a trip and then another, but on that second trip my left ear didn't clear on landing. I had no warning it was coming, not even a sniffle. It was hell. It took seeing a doctor and getting a prescription to make the pain subside after about 7-9 days. It took 3 weeks to restore hearing.
My whole hating sick callers meme is based off of one keyboard warrior on here who said if you can type on the internet you can go to work. That's 100% b.s. You've got to be damn near perfect to fly when you think about the liability involved with our job.
I'm sure if we worked in an office setting we'd down some medicine and go sit in the cubicle with a runny nose. I know I would. But to fly a jetliner several times a day for a few days straight? Screw that, FLY AN MD-88?!?
You can't always go to the doctor for the trivial stuff and our insurance punished that, but the trivial stuff keeps us from being where we need to be do to our jobs right.
Anyways I got better and flew a trip and then another, but on that second trip my left ear didn't clear on landing. I had no warning it was coming, not even a sniffle. It was hell. It took seeing a doctor and getting a prescription to make the pain subside after about 7-9 days. It took 3 weeks to restore hearing.
My whole hating sick callers meme is based off of one keyboard warrior on here who said if you can type on the internet you can go to work. That's 100% b.s. You've got to be damn near perfect to fly when you think about the liability involved with our job.
I'm sure if we worked in an office setting we'd down some medicine and go sit in the cubicle with a runny nose. I know I would. But to fly a jetliner several times a day for a few days straight? Screw that, FLY AN MD-88?!?
You can't always go to the doctor for the trivial stuff and our insurance punished that, but the trivial stuff keeps us from being where we need to be do to our jobs right.
07-04-2013 | 09:35 AM
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From: Stay THIRSTY, my friends!
I'm outta here too.
Happy 4th to you as well!
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