Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
07-04-2013 | 01:13 PM
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From: Light Chop
You do know that hundreds of pilots have upgraded to Captain already right? Just because it's not you it doesn't mean it hasn't happened. And the first 717 is not even on the property yet. When you saw that 737-900's were replacing 757's (clearly stated in the TA analysis) what did you expect to happen to 7ER staffing? Did you really think they would keep the same number of pilots while reducing the aircraft count? By the way I am a 7ER captain and my category is shrinking away, just like I thought it would when everyone said openly and repeatedly that they were retiring 757's. In over two decades of flying I have never seen a time when they cut back on a specific type of aircraft and didn't reduce the staffing on that aircraft. Is that something you are used to seeing?
In fact, you had a completely accurate picture, it is just you chose to think it meant something else. It was clearly stated that the 717's would be on the property in September and that is two months away. It was clearly stated that this transition was a three year process that hasn't even begun yet. I am not sure what you expected but what is happening is exactly what you were told.
In fact, you had a completely accurate picture, it is just you chose to think it meant something else. It was clearly stated that the 717's would be on the property in September and that is two months away. It was clearly stated that this transition was a three year process that hasn't even begun yet. I am not sure what you expected but what is happening is exactly what you were told.
07-04-2013 | 01:21 PM
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How successful was APA, and what leads you to believe that we would be any different? I'll help you start. But but but.. DAL is making dump truck loads of money.....
Here's what you need think about if you want to go down that road. Yes, that is true. However, management has their hands on the checkbook. The RLA never expires. How long do you think it will take before we would be released to self help, and how much do you believe we can get when we are released. Now please factor in all the money we will have lost. (TVM for all you home gamers, and again, if you do not believe that concept is real, ask an American pilot how the lack of it has worked for him)
Not being belligerent, just asking the question. Here's your chance to produce a workable plan as to how long we can stand with arms akimbo and what it will gain us.
07-04-2013 | 01:24 PM
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07-04-2013 | 01:26 PM
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I called in sick for a 4-day last month and nobody called be. What am I doing wrong? I must not be using enough sick leave.
07-04-2013 | 01:27 PM
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For those of you history buffs interested in a great watch on a rainy 4th of July, they are replaying the mini-series John Adams on HBO today.
Happy 4th of July APC'ers!
Happy 4th of July APC'ers!
07-04-2013 | 01:31 PM
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From: Light Chop
Wow, seriously? Do you remotely think that will be an effective strategy?
How successful was APA, and what leads you to believe that we would be any different? I'll help you start. But but but.. DAL is making dump truck loads of money.....
Here's what you need think about if you want to go down that road. Yes, that is true. However, management has their hands on the checkbook. The RLA never expires. How long do you think it will take before we would be released to self help, and how much do you believe we can get when we are released. Now please factor in all the money we will have lost. (TVM for all you home gamers, and again, if you do not believe that concept is real, ask an American pilot how the lack of it has worked for him)
Not being belligerent, just asking the question. Here's your chance to produce a workable plan as to how long we can stand with arms akimbo and what it will gain us.
How successful was APA, and what leads you to believe that we would be any different? I'll help you start. But but but.. DAL is making dump truck loads of money.....
Here's what you need think about if you want to go down that road. Yes, that is true. However, management has their hands on the checkbook. The RLA never expires. How long do you think it will take before we would be released to self help, and how much do you believe we can get when we are released. Now please factor in all the money we will have lost. (TVM for all you home gamers, and again, if you do not believe that concept is real, ask an American pilot how the lack of it has worked for him)
Not being belligerent, just asking the question. Here's your chance to produce a workable plan as to how long we can stand with arms akimbo and what it will gain us.
Second, let me put it this way:
Scott Boras (super agent): Hey A-Rod, hey man, about these negotiations, yeah... this won't work unless you get down here and volunteer in the office.
A-Rod:
07-04-2013 | 01:34 PM
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07-04-2013 | 01:39 PM
Straight QOL, homie
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regarding the "good faith" basis--
"Note: Such individual circumstances may not be derived solely from the amount of sick leave used by the pilot or the frequency of his sick occurrences."
Translation: the amount and frequency of sick leave use is ALWAYS one of the reasons, it just can't be the ONLY reason.
But theres more. They recently stated that the purpose of a CPO call requiring verification is to "ensure the sick leave benefit is administered consistently, equitably, and in compliance with the PWA." Ughhhh huh.
Right out of the chute they have 4 per-packaged "circumstances" for every pilot on the list: amount and use, and to make sure the benefit is administered consistently (everyone is subject to harassment), equitably, and in compliance with the PWA. Throw in another "circumstance" for good measure and it would nearly impossible to show lack of good faith.
Funny how the company wants to make sure the PWA is being followed in THIS situation. Thanks ALPA! Another win-lose!
"Note: Such individual circumstances may not be derived solely from the amount of sick leave used by the pilot or the frequency of his sick occurrences."
Translation: the amount and frequency of sick leave use is ALWAYS one of the reasons, it just can't be the ONLY reason.
But theres more. They recently stated that the purpose of a CPO call requiring verification is to "ensure the sick leave benefit is administered consistently, equitably, and in compliance with the PWA." Ughhhh huh.
Right out of the chute they have 4 per-packaged "circumstances" for every pilot on the list: amount and use, and to make sure the benefit is administered consistently (everyone is subject to harassment), equitably, and in compliance with the PWA. Throw in another "circumstance" for good measure and it would nearly impossible to show lack of good faith.
Funny how the company wants to make sure the PWA is being followed in THIS situation. Thanks ALPA! Another win-lose!
Did the CP see you without a hat? Company doesn't like your gate latency compliance numbers? The possibilities are endless. They could all be "good faith" reasons to harass you on your next sick call. None of them are prohibited by the PWA.
07-04-2013 | 01:44 PM
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From: 767er Captain
non sequitur. Besides, you are dodging the question. But if that is supposed to mean that we tell dALPA to do just what you infer... stand with arms folded until we get a "better deal" count me out. That is not a strategy, it is a purely emotional response which offers zero return and zero in my wallet for an undetermined period of time. Show me a real return, and I will listen. Other than that.....
07-04-2013 | 01:50 PM
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From: Light Chop
T, let me ask you this. you asked for my workable strategy but may I ask what you consider a good one to be?
From what you said here:
I guess TVM? But how far do you go with a TVM strategy?
I bet we could get a 10% YOY raise for 5 years if we're willing to give up some things elsewhere. For some, they make a fortune becasue of TVM, others... eh.
What if time is on your side, why give that up since we rarely have any leverage at all? What's wrong with saying screw TVM and going for doing the contract right no matter how long it takes? For some of us we've got 30 years left at this place, maybe we'd like to do things right and not just focus on the TVM. But that's me.
And btw after having a AMR 777A in the JS the other day I'm going to say the "well look at the APA" meme is about as straw man of that other popular meme "but that's what senior pilots want!" Saying "APA" and "senior pilot" is nothing but a cover for a questionable strategy or decision.
From what you said here:
"How long do you think it will take before we would be released to self help, and how much do you believe we can get when we are released. Now please factor in all the money we will have lost. (TVM for all you home gamers, and again, if you do not believe that concept is real, ask an American pilot how the lack of it has worked for him)"
I bet we could get a 10% YOY raise for 5 years if we're willing to give up some things elsewhere. For some, they make a fortune becasue of TVM, others... eh.
What if time is on your side, why give that up since we rarely have any leverage at all? What's wrong with saying screw TVM and going for doing the contract right no matter how long it takes? For some of us we've got 30 years left at this place, maybe we'd like to do things right and not just focus on the TVM. But that's me.
And btw after having a AMR 777A in the JS the other day I'm going to say the "well look at the APA" meme is about as straw man of that other popular meme "but that's what senior pilots want!" Saying "APA" and "senior pilot" is nothing but a cover for a questionable strategy or decision.
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