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Slow,
What happened to you? Necroposting for dishonest spin?
My comment related to "Officers" in your administration who told us that some civilian ALPA members had FAILED to respect he chain of command in our union. You know my comment had nothing to do with the well qualified pool of candidates which come from our armed services.
You may think you are so smart that no need exists for democratic governance in ALPA and I'll grant, you are a smart man. But at the end of the day ALPA needs the support of it's members. Having nearly 50% of your pilots send in cards requesting a representational vote while your Admin achieved an industry leading contract with scope improvements is a commentary you should heed. Instead you waste your efforts trying to personalize your frustrations by targeting reformists who support our union.
You are a smart guy. Eventually you'll step outside the echo chamber and get a wind check.
As the Pinnacle debacle is understood by express pilots as the cause of their concessions it will be very difficult for the leadership who authorized that bargaining to remain in power.
ALPA needs a strong leader, as it has, to get through a major merger and the other issues we face as a profession. No need to waste ammo firing inside the circle.
My guess based on comments by line pilots is that DPA has greater support is among those with a military background than civilian. Civilians are more reform minded and desire a more participatory, responsive, association (moves our both our former and current Admin have been moving in). Either way it boils down to members who desire change, even in good times.
I will yield the floor to you to explain your targeting solution. Alienate enough of our union's supporters and where does that take us .... ? Now you're trying to involve them in your fight against ALPA supporters before they are even on our property? What does that achieve?
What happened to you? Necroposting for dishonest spin?
My comment related to "Officers" in your administration who told us that some civilian ALPA members had FAILED to respect he chain of command in our union. You know my comment had nothing to do with the well qualified pool of candidates which come from our armed services.
You may think you are so smart that no need exists for democratic governance in ALPA and I'll grant, you are a smart man. But at the end of the day ALPA needs the support of it's members. Having nearly 50% of your pilots send in cards requesting a representational vote while your Admin achieved an industry leading contract with scope improvements is a commentary you should heed. Instead you waste your efforts trying to personalize your frustrations by targeting reformists who support our union.
You are a smart guy. Eventually you'll step outside the echo chamber and get a wind check.
As the Pinnacle debacle is understood by express pilots as the cause of their concessions it will be very difficult for the leadership who authorized that bargaining to remain in power.
ALPA needs a strong leader, as it has, to get through a major merger and the other issues we face as a profession. No need to waste ammo firing inside the circle.
My guess based on comments by line pilots is that DPA has greater support is among those with a military background than civilian. Civilians are more reform minded and desire a more participatory, responsive, association (moves our both our former and current Admin have been moving in). Either way it boils down to members who desire change, even in good times.
I will yield the floor to you to explain your targeting solution. Alienate enough of our union's supporters and where does that take us .... ? Now you're trying to involve them in your fight against ALPA supporters before they are even on our property? What does that achieve?
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YGTBSM!!! Everyone ****ing on your cheerios? Honestly, have you even thought about the drivel spouting from your bungy? You are a cancer from the other side that is not positive nor worthy of any pilot sharing a beer with you. You oooze pathetic distain and emulate ideologues that do not listen to fact or debate! ALPA right or wrong is of no fact to you, that is obvious. Did you kill cats as a kid?
During my cog, 3 military guys were very frustrated with the test. I was screwing up so bad I did not realize I was being tested. I thought I was practicing!!!! I looked at the proctor and started laughing, he just gave me a thumbs up! I made it to day two the other guys did not!!
Think outside the box!!
FACT
During my cog, 3 military guys were very frustrated with the test. I was screwing up so bad I did not realize I was being tested. I thought I was practicing!!!! I looked at the proctor and started laughing, he just gave me a thumbs up! I made it to day two the other guys did not!!
Think outside the box!!
During my cog, 3 military guys were very frustrated with the test. I was screwing up so bad I did not realize I was being tested. I thought I was practicing!!!! I looked at the proctor and started laughing, he just gave me a thumbs up! I made it to day two the other guys did not!!
Think outside the box!!
The second when you fell off the see-saw on the final section. The loud BONK that the computer made. First time I about jumped out of my seat. The second time I just laughed and carried on.
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I don't remember getting frustrated, but I did laugh out loud on a couple occasions- the first when they brought the symbols back from a couple sections earlier without the key. "Remember the symbols from earlier?" "LOL NOPE!"
The second when you fell off the see-saw on the final section. The loud BONK that the computer made. First time I about jumped out of my seat. The second time I just laughed and carried on.
The second when you fell off the see-saw on the final section. The loud BONK that the computer made. First time I about jumped out of my seat. The second time I just laughed and carried on.
YGTBSM!!! Everyone ****ing on your cheerios? Honestly, have you even thought about the drivel spouting from your bungy? You are a cancer from the other side that is not positive nor worthy of any pilot sharing a beer with you. You oooze pathetic distain and emulate ideologues that do not listen to fact or debate! ALPA right or wrong is of no fact to you, that is obvious. Did you kill cats as a kid?

There's a number of us fNWA guys that get the feeling that the whole "acquired not hired" thinking lives right below the surface among fDAL pilots despite the outward niceties. Your post here tends to reinforce that belief. Bar posts his loathing of the SLI, then another posts his loathing of all NWA pilots and wish that the merger never happened. Yet hardly a single response from a fDAL pilot admonishing that kind of stuff.
Really, really sad.
Carl
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There's a number of us fNWA guys that get the feeling that the whole "acquired not hired" thinking lives right below the surface among fDAL pilots despite the outward niceties. Your post here tends to reinforce that belief. Bar posts his loathing of the SLI, then another posts his loathing of all NWA pilots and wish that the merger never happened. Yet hardly a single response from a fDAL pilot admonishing that kind of stuff.
Really, really sad.
Carl
Really, really sad.
Carl
The NWA pilots can make a somewhat credible argument that their side brought resources to the table that prevented Delta from folding under the weight of it's undercapitalization. It is all speculation.
What we do know is the Company has done well since it has merged. The Company is making good on it's promises to shift flying back to mainline ( to some extent ) with ALPA's active engagement.
Other than our work together on our contract, pilots had nearly no say in the matter. Some did better than others no doubt. From the NWA perspective I can see how some of the 320 drivers felt that the merger did not respect status quo. To the extent "status quo" was not the primary consideration of the arbitrator I think the man went off the reservation, but that's just my opinion.
"Acquired, not hired" sounds like a low self esteem issue. As I tell my wife, "you look terrific honey, now lets go, we have some place to be."
We are merged ... therefore "you do look terrific, honey."
Smooches,
Bar
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