That's what I am afraid of as well. In related news...

United Airlines aims to open secondary Chinese cities with the 787 | CAPA - Centre for Aviation

European and Middle Eastern carriers are slowly opening services to China's secondary cities that may be overshadowed by Beijing and Shanghai but still boast of populations well into the millions. Now United Airlines looks set to be the first North American carrier to introduce non-stop service to secondary cities, with CEO Jeff Smisek telling local media that its Boeing 787s will open cities like Chengdu, Chongqing, Xi'an and Wuhan.

Such services will bring the China-North America market to a new stage of development, critical since from the Chinese perspective it is expected to be the healthiest and most stable long-haul market. Yet the balance for the long-term will be weighted towards US carriers, which not only will have a larger domestic market than China for at least a decade, but also have regional traffic around Latin America to feed to long-haul routes, whereas Chinese carriers' regional traffic around Asia is more hotly contested.

North American carriers still confined to Beijing and Shanghai. Air Canada, American Airlines, Delta and United serve mainland China, but only to Beijing and Shanghai. Delta had planned a Tokyo Narita-Guangzhou service but this has been repeatedly postponed.

European carriers have been more ambitious in opening secondary Chinese services, with Air France, Finnair, KLM and Lufthansa all operating to points other than Beijing and Shanghai. Noticeably absent is British Airways, but it has now placed secondary cities on its agenda

 

Can't find it now, but there was an article posted not long ago with a contrarian view about the economics of ultra long thin routes. Bottom line, the article claimed that the yields just aren't there to support it, and that airlines would run back to hub stategies eventually. Maybe we are on the right path. Sucks not having a bunch of wide body growth, but maybe it's the right move.

 

When will that happen? "Next time?"

 

30 out of 77 pilots on atl320b are on rsv in August. What the heck??

 

If we get invited to the S&P, the concern over pleasing the investment community should end. Why? Because so many people trade ETFs now, anyone who trades S&P based ETFs automatically buys DAL.

It will separate us dramatically from the transportation sector...gifrikkingantic win.

If we stay mired in the trans sector, we are just another airline and what gloopy says is arguably correct.

 

Did you backdoor it? I'm showing 0 X's right meow.

 

Ya. Backdoor. I went from holding a line the past year to deep reserve. Ridiculous. And I'm NYC320B which is the second most junior category in the company.

 

I guess we didn't really need an ALV of 84...

 

31 out of 67 on nyc320b are rsv. What's going on?

 

how do you back door with no x's on the page