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Old 07-20-2013 | 09:22 PM
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Originally Posted by DAWGS
I know you're joking, but having been furloughed, I do think guys who had ample opportunities to return and didn't should have sacrificed a bit more than just longevity. I know the arguments on both sides, but there will be guys who have actually been on property for just a few months, out for over 12 years (chose to stay out for whatever reason), that will be coming back senior to guys who have been on property working (making a profit for Delta) for 5+ years. I know it would be a can of worms to come up with a future methodology, but I feel for the very bottom of our list, when we all have stagnated for so long. Lets all hope we never have to deal with another decade+ of furloughs and stagnation for future generations of pilots and this is a start of some good happenings at the big D. I appreciate all the guys in this situation and certainly understand a bit of whining from the bottom.

Dawgs,

I disagree. The longer the guys stay out the better it is for everyone below them. If all 200 guys came back 5 years ago the bottom 200 pilots who have been making a profit for DAL for 5+ years wouldn't even be DAL employees today.

So when the furloughees eventually come back the bottom guys may see guys coming in above them. It is still much better to be on the DAL seniority list with three or more years of longevity, then trying to get an interview at DAL.


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Old 07-20-2013 | 09:48 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
That is true, however, we knew that when we got hired that they had rights in front of us. They were the ones that got hosed out of a job via mismanagement and the economy.
Although there were many factors, I would say 9-11 and then "force majeure" and were the main drivers in my case.
Old 07-20-2013 | 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Dehav
Although there were many factors, I would say 9-11 and then "force majeure" and were the main drivers in my case.
Regardless, they were hosed out of a job. The only ones that slightly twerked me were the ones that came back and immediately went back on long MIL leave... thus being able to come back without limitation of when DL is hiring.

Obviously not all that went on MIL took advantage of that, but a not insignificant number did.
Old 07-20-2013 | 10:05 PM
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A question for the reserve gurus. If you exceed reserve guarantee in a month and still have on call days (for which you should now not be liable for call out), do you need to notify crew scheduling of that or do they automatically not bother you? I've exceeded the guarantee but still have the 30th and 31st on call.....

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Old 07-20-2013 | 10:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Denny Crane
A question for the reserve gurus. If you exceed reserve guarantee in a month and still have on call days (for which you should now not be liable for call out), do you need to notify crew scheduling of that or do they automatically not bother you? I've exceeded the guarantee but still have the 30th and 31st on call.....

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If you've made ALV, you're done..... however:

Your cutoff is ALV, not RSV guarantee. Guarantee is ALV-2 typically, so if you are in between the two, welcome to contract 2012. You're good for another ~17 hours of flying.

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Old 07-21-2013 | 02:09 AM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
If you've made ALV, you're done..... however:

Your cutoff is ALV, not RSV guarantee. Guarantee is ALV-2 typically, so if you are in between the two, welcome to contract 2012. You're good for another ~17 hours of flying.
I thought that you were full once you reached your reserve guarantee, but if you are under by one minute you are still eligible for a trip not to exceed ALV plus 15.
Old 07-21-2013 | 03:04 AM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
If you've made ALV, you're done..... however:

Your cutoff is ALV, not RSV guarantee. Guarantee is ALV-2 typically, so if you are in between the two, welcome to contract 2012. You're good for another ~17 hours of flying.
Remember it was a rule needed for the intl categories and our domestic reserve schedules are not efficient enough to impact those pilots.
Old 07-21-2013 | 03:33 AM
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Originally Posted by scambo1
I'm maxed there.

While this topic may not apply to everyone on here, at some point it probably will. The first step to having a valid investment strategy is to have a valid tax strategy.

Again, if anyone has real world experience with managing this aspect of the tax strategy, I think at a minimum, it's valid to raise awareness for the future.

I'm all ears. And I just realized that I overused valid.
AMT is a joke. More and more people are hit with it every year and pretty soon the AMT will be our effective tax system.


I'm curious as well if anyone else has any suggestions to avoid, or at least minimize, AMT tax. The only real pertaining deductions that I've seen is 401k contributions and mortgage interest deductions.
Old 07-21-2013 | 04:23 AM
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Originally Posted by DeadHead
AMT is a joke. More and more people are hit with it every year and pretty soon the AMT will be our effective tax system.


I'm curious as well if anyone else has any suggestions to avoid, or at least minimize, AMT tax. The only real pertaining deductions that I've seen is 401k contributions and mortgage interest deductions.
I bought a hybrid in 06 and was suppose to get a tax CREDIT of $2700. Went into AMT which voided this credit. Beware of tax incentives if you think you might end up in AMT.
Old 07-21-2013 | 04:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Dehav
Although there were many factors, I would say 9-11 and then "force majeure" and were the main drivers in my case.
Look at the hiring for the affiliated regional carriers within your brand. If the regional subsidiary hired more than your carrier furloughed the only logical answer is lack of scope resulted in your furlough.

ALPA's merger policy was watered down in anticipation of the 2000 ALPA Board of Director's meeting requests for merger policy implementation at Delta's wholly owned airlines; ASA and Comair. It was at that BOD where ALPA embarked on a policy of excluding some members of our union from the same protections enjoyed by other members of our union.

When a subsidiary is junior manning Captains from new hire classes during mainline furloughs there is no two ways about it; that is a scope failure.

Today our union continues down this road of outsourcing some members to supposably benefit other members. In a union where every job is precious, this policy is morally wrong. This terrible policy, promulgated by politicians who do not grasp even the basics of unity, are responsible for the furloughs which followed massive outsourcing during our careers.
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