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Ironically, the one guy (TC) who hates ALPA more than any of us is doing the most to keep them around.

If he can't see that he's completely ruining his cause of deposing ALPA--if that is, in fact, his cause--as the face of the DPA drive, then he has serious issues of a possibly psychotic nature. Of course, he'd never be elected if the DPA was successful, but he's still a liability to the movement.

At this point, I'm beginning to suspect he's an ALPA sleeper! :eek:

Buzz, would you support an independent union if he wasn't pulling the strings?

GunshipGuy

08-02-2013 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by shiznit (Post 1456085)

Not really germane here, but lets follow your concept for a minute... Looking at recent history of pilot groups who've left ALPA.

How about USAPA?
(Notwithstanding the absolute abject failure they have been at enhancing the careers and bank accounts of their membership.)

How about FPA?
(Oh wait, they were an massively ineffective failure too!)
The pilots realized the effectiveness of ALPA and impotence of being "independent" and have been very successful since they re-affiliated.

Name a pilot group that has had better long term
success by leaving ALPA. Please, I'd love have solid examples. (.....You do realize "independent union" is an oxymoron, right?)

Who really cares "how long it takes", I care about results, the infrastructure to achieve results and influence outcomes. "Independent union":rolleyes: hasn't been and won't be the solution.

Just observing here, but I'd say the question was definitely avoided and not answered.

GunshipGuy

08-02-2013 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by groundstop (Post 1456114)

DPA seems to run a very negative campaign, much like many of our politicians. Instead of telling us whats wrong with ALPA, why don't you tell us what your going to do to make the place better (besides just getting rid of ALPA).

Same could be said about ALPA when they address DPA (but not by name)--purely negative campaign. As for the rest of their talking points, it's a lot like what I see at the national level--talk up how great things are because of your actions and let the minions eat it up, and your devotees preach your propaganda as if it were scientific fact.

shiznit

08-02-2013 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by JobHopper (Post 1456340)

Atlas (though they went with the Teamsters, not independent).

Atlas' pilots voted ALPA in in the late 90's. Atlas (the company) then bought Polar and began whipsawing the two against each other. ALPA National was totally ineffective in moderating that dispute (ala TWA/American) and were voted out.

I think the lesson here is that looking to National in labor disputes between two competing airlines won't get you very far. I know, NWA/Delta were two competing airlines with a successful outcome, but we did not look to National for help. We were big boys who slugged it out on our own and made it work.

Atlas went Teamsters not too long ago. Got it.

....still want to find an example of a pilot group who left ALPA to form an independent union (oxymoron) that has been successful over the long term.

PilotFrog

08-02-2013 06:53 PM

What is up with the 757s inflight entertainment recently? I have yet to be on a jet that doesn't have it written up in the last couple weeks.

buzzpat

08-02-2013 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Witzend (Post 1456338)

Buzz, It's been years since I was through LAX and I'm trying to get a mental picture of T6. What airlines uses what gates at T6 currently?

UAL has about half of them and then it's us and Alaska. There are Frontier (I think) and Great Lakes aircraft there on a onsey twosey basis. There was a recent renovation that made the terminal nicer (term 5 is going thru it now).

The tunnel from 5 to 6 is still a pain. I call it the "Green Mile." Customers hate it.

buzzpat

08-02-2013 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by PilotFrog (Post 1456389)

What is up with the 757s inflight entertainment recently? I have yet to be on a jet that doesn't have it written up in the last couple weeks.

The jets are just flying around the clock. We've had IFE and WIFI issues on the 73 as well. Not much time for mx.

forgot to bid

08-02-2013 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Free Bird (Post 1456320)

Holy Hot Dogs the Green Slips are flying on the R seat of the dog.

I counted 37 GSs on ATL M88 B. I sit around 80% and only 2 went junior to me. Did see a couple #2 GS.

Tumbleweed

08-02-2013 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by PilotFrog (Post 1456389)

What is up with the 757s inflight entertainment recently? I have yet to be on a jet that doesn't have it written up in the last couple weeks.

We had a flight ops guy in the j/s that showed us a mock up of a new IFE system you access via GoGo. It was basically a refined version of the Delta.com Website that would allow you to watch movies, track the flight, see airports maps, order food, etc... Via your iPad. Rather than wasting money on the aging hardware, they'd rather make a clean, user friendly interface you can access with your laptop or tablet. It makes a lot of sense and looked really nice.

newKnow

08-02-2013 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Tinpusher007 (Post 1456259)

Not the Caribbean, but Mexico. Basically, you can only do it as a zed fare because you need to pay the taxes. If you try to list as a j/s, when you get to the gate they won't be able to board you without paying that first. That was my experience anyway. Good luck.

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Originally Posted by Speedbird2263 (Post 1456266)

I have Listed non-rev on JetBlue from FLL-KIN, (and my brother who also flies does JFK-KIN), as usual OAL only in The Cabin. You pay only the taxes for round-trip or one way and they may be paid over the phone at the time of booking or at the check-in counter at the time of check-in. As far as I know JetBlue welcomes as many NRSA's as they're seats available. I hope that helps.

-2263

Thanks fellas. Hopefully, I don't have to use them. I've never seen our flights fill up so fast. One day there are 40 -50 open seats, the next there are 8.

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