Gotcha... Just wanted to show that the AA rates get a "me too" average at DOS+36 and then 2%/yr after that (can't remember if they get to keep averaging in the next years until amendable).

Other unions piggy backing on ALPA again....

 

Phantom,

Your post was too forward looking for there to be any data to support a conclusion one way, or the other. I still maintain that the 717 is an interim solution if the C Series isn't priced out of the market.

The C Series is a leap nearly as significant as the 787 is. Eventually every airline will have some version of a 787. Boeing priced the 787 aggressively and now has the problem of needing to sell about 1,300 of them before they see the first dime of profit. Bombardier does not have a 737/767-Tanker & military sale cash cow to milk while it awaits a return on it's investment. Pratt, for their part, is such a believer in their GTF that they're spinning up to produce these in huge numbers. They think they'll eventually get the NB sales lead from GE.

Unfortunately, outsourcing is an economic issue. We don't know what management will pay, or what price our MEC might accept, to outsource members' jobs.

I keep hoping we might return to the days when alter ego was properly perceived as the very existential threat that it is to labor. We will not have a decisive victory until we make a moral stand ... that no Delta pilot's job gets sold. Until then, I don't think anyone can make an accurate guess where this goes.

 

Delta Air Lines: Next Year, Our Health Care Costs Will Increase By 'Nearly $100 Million' - Forbes

 

To be fair, we were trying to piggyback SWAPA in C2012 for 737 rates. You sure you don't have a mustache?

Also to be fair, keep in mind that AA contract was a bankruptcy concessionary contract. They got raises in bankruptcy.

Have pride, but not blind pride. Blind pride leads to the DPA representing DL pilots.

 

Well, since its all about me, it appears in 2016 their A330 Capt rate is only $0.61 above Delia's 2015 rates and $11 lower than our 777 rates.

 

I thought participation in Blind Pride led to something else entirely:

Blind LGBT Pride International

Talk about not knowing what hit you ....

 

Certainly seems that way, after reading the latest MEC Update it seems as though they're paying close attention to it. Reps I've talked to also seem to be as concerned over it as the pilot group is. I'm very interested to see what pans out from the most recent Pacific scope non-compliance operations. Negotiators were supposed to meet in August, and the deadline to reach an agreement is September 30th.

I think it will be very telling on how our MEC plans on handling the TA/JV measurement period ending next march. I guess it's not really non compliance until we actually reach the end of the measurement window and look back over the past 3 years. The writing is on the wall though, and while I don't want to be a pessimist, I am still cautiously optimistic that our section 1 provisions will create real growth and expansion for Delta pilots under a push to recede the ratios back into compliance.

 

Shiz,

I took the "not one more seat" to mean no increase beyond 76 seats.

I took the "not one more pound" to mean no increase in permitted maximum gross weight of any regional jet.

I took the "not one more jet" to mean no increase in the number of 76 seat aircraft allowed.

And that's where I see contract 2012 as a scope failure. Simply put DALPA negotiated (and to be fair; the pilot group ratified the TA) an increase in the number of 76 seat RJ's.

FTB put it well (imagine that?):

"And no, an exchange of any of the current PWA limits for fewer 50 seaters is not a win. We now know from the earnings calls how much of a financial and customer service albatross those things are now so imho they can just fade without a swap. A swap is not a win."

 

Bar, I know you are a strong believer in ALPA (or maybe its more the "potential" of ALPA). I am curious what your honest feelings are regarding the national president's (Lee Moak) stance believing outsourcing of RJ's is good for Delta pilots?

 

I think if an educated person with decent reasoning skills is to size up this agreement they would conclude 10 out of 10 times that allowing the company a 3 year lookback with an additional year to come into compliance was horribly shortsighted.