Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob

We actually had more pilots. I was hired Jan 2001 and my initial seniority number was 112XX.

Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob

You know of any other airline called Delta Air Lines? The seniority list may show 10,144 pilots on July 01, 2001, but in January 2001, I was given a seniority number of 11,2??. Why is there a difference of about 1,000 numbers between January and July? I don't have a clue. Frankly, I was just trying to get through my first year.

Originally Posted by hitimefurl

If you'll look at my previous posts you'll note that I said that the vote/transition would take 12-18 months. I meant 2015 in the date but lets talk about my issue in that bullet point the issue being dues go up without a vote which is something that can not happen today. I got lazy going back to cut and paste because you were lazy in talking and more interested in debasing me. Let's talk about the rest of the DPA goals relating to the contract as it relates to my statement.

Point 1. The Delta MEC has always opened the contract early and prior to six months for as long as I have been here. To wit the early exchange has been in the PWA as 270 days prior to the amendable date for a long time. At minimum this meets the DPA language of "or upon early opening of negotiations if greater than six (6) months prior to the amendable date" or early 2015 or even earlier. In the extreme possibility that the vote and transfer happened before 2015 and TWO FULL FISCAL YEAR CYCLES then dues would still automatically go up to 2% (higher than today) without a vote and stay there until Section 6 is over. The Delta pilots under ALPA policy today can not be assessed money without it going to the entire membership for vote.

We don't increase our dues at the Delta MEC today for Section 6 we go and get it from ALPA like we did in C2K when we spent over $7 million of which more than $6 million came from Herndon. We didn't spend $7 million on C2012 and that money went right back to the pilots. For the NWA strike the NWA MEC didn't raise dues. The NWA pilots used almost $5 million from Herndon.

Note 1. A merger between now and 2015 also triggers the same automatic dues increase without a vote.

Point 2. Interim Negotiating Committee Chairman Mike Protack said "1. A contract which is understandable, enforceable and beneficial to both parties and should not exceed 200 pages. The average line pilot should be able to fully grasp all provisions of the contract and easily know their responsibilities while also easily determining if the Company is in violation of any area." The only way you could you reduce our 466 page contract into 200 pages if if you started early, otherwise you would be prolonging Section 6. You would have to start earlier than 6 months or 270 days in order to be done when you needed to be. Lets not haggle about that either way it.s 2.25% for Section 6 until the time it's complete.

Point 3. Best case scenario for Section 6 would be what? USAPA has been in Section 6 for 9 years and are stuck in 2004. APA has effectively been in Section 6 for 7 years because they opened 18 months early in 2006. They also had to deal with the $45 million injunction out of their own pockets. Now there is a bright hope in that others have only been in Section 6 for a year so far. FedEx did a short term contract to extend leaving them in an extended Section 6. Sometime at or before 2015 dues would go to either 2% (only if 2 full fiscal cycles) or 2.25% without a vote and stay there until Section 6 is over.

Does anyone here really believe that there won't be an early opener (270 or sooner) or that a merger won't happen before 12/15? If so then your dues are still going up without a vote which has been my issue. The dates are just convenient fodder and I wouldn't have messed them u except you made me repeat myself so many times that I cut and pasted poorly.

Let's try it this way. My issue is that the DPA Constitution says dues will automatically go up by .5% for 3 specific events including Section 6 without a vote and stay there until the event is over. This is something that can not happen today and is not an improvement that places "The final control of the Association shall be vested in the membership." in my opinion.

If you want to argue about a few months being off in the timeline sobeit but the fact remains the DPA Constitution as written today says dues will go up without a vote for all these events.

Originally Posted by forgot to bid

FAA JSer: 717 interior certification is a disaster.

before you blame the FAA just know they already blame the sequester.

Originally Posted by AeroCrewSolut

AE out tomorrow. There will be a 767 ER reduction but no displacements expected. 717, 73N and M-88 Capt positions.

Originally Posted by Jay5150

You sure about that one? I was hired in the same month with a seniority number of 99XX.

Originally Posted by bluejuice71

A reduction in what? How do you reduce a category without displacements?

Originally Posted by bluejuice71

A reduction in what? How do you reduce a category without displacements?

Originally Posted by johnso29

Ok Carl. Per your request(which I found more then fair) I went back and read a few pages. It seems one of the main points of contention is that DPA dues may not increase prior to 6 months before the amendable date of our PWA. Several claim that dues can increase 6 months prior to Sec 6, which you dispute. You claim that dues can not be increased prior to July 1, 2015, correct?

Originally Posted by johnso29

So I ask again. What is this from the DPA constitution?

Originally Posted by johnso29

So if we enter Sec 6 as early as possible, that's 270 days prior to the amendable date? Correct? So again, how will dues NOT go to 2.25% prior to July 1, 2015?