Originally Posted by bluejuice71 (Post 1477788)

A reduction in what? How do you reduce a category without displacements?

Originally Posted by bluejuice71 (Post 1477788)

A reduction in what? How do you reduce a category without displacements?

Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1477773)

Ok Carl. Per your request(which I found more then fair) I went back and read a few pages. It seems one of the main points of contention is that DPA dues may not increase prior to 6 months before the amendable date of our PWA. Several claim that dues can increase 6 months prior to Sec 6, which you dispute. You claim that dues can not be increased prior to July 1, 2015, correct?

Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1477773)

So I ask again. What is this from the DPA constitution?

Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1477773)

So if we enter Sec 6 as early as possible, that's 270 days prior to the amendable date? Correct? So again, how will dues NOT go to 2.25% prior to July 1, 2015?

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1477795)

No, that's incorrect. Please read what I've written on the subject.

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1477615)

This is sad. It's 2.25% on July 1, 2015. July 1, 2015 is 6 months prior to the PWA's amendable date. April 1, 2015 is when we can exchange openers per Section 6, but that date has nothing to do with what triggers the dues increase to 2.25%. Again, 2.25% on July 1, 2015. Carl

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1477615)

Again, if you'd have read what I've written, you'll see I've not discussed if both sides agreed to start negotiations as early as possible. That can only happen if both sides agree to it. If both sides did agree to that, then yes it is specifically covered as a special circumstance in the DPA constitution and would trigger a 0.5% dues increase on April 1, 2015...not October 2014, April 1, 2015. If both sides don't agree to start Section 6 as early as possible, then it's July 1, 2015, and snaps down afterward.

Carl

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1477615)

This is sad. It's 2.25% on July 1, 2015. July 1, 2015 is 6 months prior to the PWA's amendable date. April 1, 2015 is when we can exchange openers per Section 6, but that date has nothing to do with what triggers the dues increase to 2.25%. Again, 2.25% on July 1, 2015.
Carl

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1477784)

Look dude, I gotta tell ya, I'm only skimming your posts now. You are so wordy and unfocused, I just lose interest.

From my skimming, I think you're admitting you got your first bullet point wrong. Your dates are just flat wrong. Now to your angst regarding dues' ability to go up 0.5% without MEMRAT for clearly defined special circumstances...I'm fine with that. ALPA can (and has) made major changes to our contract via LOA's. No MEMRAT. But if you now have MEMRAT fervor, I'm good with that too. You put forth a resolution to your block rep requiring MEMRAT for a 0.5% dues increase for special circumstances, and I'll back you.

Is this horse still twitching? Shall we move on to the second bullet point of your first laundry list from yesterday?

Carl

Originally Posted by hitimefurl (Post 1477789)

Cliff notes:

DPA Constitution

3. The dues rate shall be 1.75% upon initial certification by the National Mediation Board. On January 1st of the second full fiscal year following initial certification, the dues rate shall drop annually by 0.25% every year until reaching a minimum dues rate of 1%. Special Circumstance Exception: Six (6) months prior to the amendable date of the Pilot Working Agreement, or upon early opening of negotiations if greater than six (6) months prior to the amendable date, or upon notification of a possible bankruptcy or merger initiated by the Company, the dues rate will temporarily increase by 0.5% until the new contract is ratified, or bankruptcy proceedings or merger integration is complete.

DPA Fiscal Year Jan-Jan

2nd full fiscal year would be Jan 2015, but only if vote happen prior to January 2014 otherwise the second full fiscal year would be 2016.

Increase done via existing constitution as written and without a vote.

To change the constitution requires a 2/3 Executive Board vote AND a simple majority vote of the membership.

Originally Posted by 76drvr (Post 1477806)

Automatic dues increases baked into the C&BLs. Wow. A possible 2.25% dues rate without a vote! :mad:

And that automatic dues increase stays until we have a contract, that could take years. :eek:

Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob (Post 1477790)

Yep, pretty sure. I got a copy of the seniority list from then somewhere around in a file. Kept all the papers I was handed and just shoved them in a folder. Might have to go mining.

Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1477801)

This is what you wrote. This is an exact quote of your post.

Wait. So now you're back pedaling? Because you corrected shiznit again, & told him April 1, 2015 couldn't happen.

Here it is again.