I guess that's as close as we'll ever get to an admission of being wrong from you. We could go on to bullet point 2 of your laundry list from yesterday, but I don't think you care about correctness. You're just not used to someone pulling apart your factless opinions.

Carl

This could take years. :eek:

Then we have to factor in the fact that there is no MCF and no MEC Savings account to enter into negotiations. We'd probably have to pony up assessments on top of the already high DPA dues rate of 2.25%. :mad:

Oh the humanity! Change the contract at will without MEMRAT, but a 0.5% increase in dues for special circumstances without MEMRAT is intolerable!

Carl

I'm not ignoring his mistake. I acknowledged it earlier, when I said several claimed that dues could increase 6 months prior to Sec 6. Per the DPA constitution, they certainly can not.

I agree with you in that regard. But only if it's related to Sec 6. A dues increase prior to April 1, 2015 would be possible if a merger were announced. Which I am fairly certain you also acknowledged.

Thanks for the conversation.

Right out of the DALPA talking points. Be sure to equate DPA to USAPA at every opportunity. You're a loyal soldier bud.

Carl

There are only 2 seats that matter. I am seriously lost as to why you think a total seat count on the airframes mean anything. WhoGAS?

Thanks. My "views" are that ALPA dues have gone down since you and I have been ALPA pilots. We've both received a refund on our dues this year. Are you telling me your views are different than mine on this?

My "view" is that ALPA dues don't go up automatically during section six as they would under DPA. Is your view the same or different?

My "view" is that you and I have never had a gap in "special circumstances" as defined by the DPA constitution that would have allowed the dues rate to get down to 1% under the DPA formula. Can you enlighten my view by finding a period we've experienced that would have led to us getting to 1%?

If my "views" are off-base, please adjust them with facts I may be missing. If you can't do that, can we change "views" to "reasonable analyses I agree with"? :)

I agree with you! You are certainly not an expert in this area. Here's my evidence:

a. You got a dues refund this year. That makes, "keeps every penny" wrong regardless of "view".

b. If ALPA "keeps every penny", then DPA would too. ALPA uses dues to pay flight pay loss. So would DPA. ALPA uses money to pay for services. So would DPA.

So as long as we don't experience any major events until we build up a war chest, we will be ok? Looking back over our careers, can you give me a period of time with no major events that was long enough to build up a comfortable war chest under DPA's constitution?

Nobody has left ALPA?:confused:

Why not?

Thanks. I'm glad to hear that. That's my view too. I look forward to you helping me with my other "views" by providing some facts.

We have to consider all possibilities. USAPA's experience is a possibility. Don't forget about APA. It's a reality, & we have to accept it.

A 29% increase in dues without a vote of any kind baked into the C&BLs is amazing. A dues increase that could be in effect for 7-8 years if our negotiations go anything like the other network independents like USAPA and the APA.

Why hasn't the DPA disclosed this instead of hiding it in the back pages of their C&BLs? Yeah, some transparency. :mad:

Where will the 3rd 717 base be located? Any word on 717 delayed deliveries? I just noticed in the monthly update that there will be no published rotations for the 717 in Oct.