Yeah. What's up with that, gander? :confused:


-goose

:D

Just for good measure, I'll try to start a Boeing vs Airbus war...

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=o9cHVxU...%3Do9cHVxUwTu4

TSquare,

I beg you to reconsider. The Island flying out of NRT is ~ 150 to 160* pilot jobs ... jobs at your seniority level. Entire Narita is probably 700 or so pilots.

I am glad our MEC is focused on this issue.

Met a mesabah/endeavor flow up yesterday and learned a lot. REALLY looking forward to getting these guys on the list. Hoping their whipsaw experience will help us protect scope in future and negate some of that 62%.

Interesting how folks arrive here. I'm hoping sOme of the fur bypass guys share their stories on the bypass and what they've been up to and how it was wherever they were. Anyone?

Yup, I agree Bar.

You're right of course, I'm sorry about that. Careless and rapid typing on my part.

That is the only way to truly protect our Scope in my opinion. Anything else is a language war in which we pilots continuously lose. We lose either through the statement from our own union that our language is to weak to defend, or by renegotiating the measuring sticks.

That pre-supposes an ability on our part to write defensible language, or even defend language that is defensible. Thus far, we have far more examples of the contrary.

Pilots would lose more, but not for the reason you think. Pilots would lose because management would be drawing down to zero the very flying that has among our highest yields. They would be committing corporate suicide. But in corporate suicides, management still wins by floating into their next gig in a golden parachute. Employees lose more because we're actually wed to our companies.

That is simply untrue. Management is coming to us for a reason. They want out of our scope that protects NRT slots or forces them to close down the code share. Ask yourself why they would be this interested if it was only 2500 seats of code share revenue.

Corporate suicide is always an option for them. They don't need us to further cave in on our scope to commit suicide.

Because of what's happening right now in the Atlantic Joint Venture. We have similar protections with percentage of flying requirements. Those percentages will not be met. All sides agree to that. Thus the percentages aren't worth the paper they're written on. Just like your proposed block hour protections won't be worth the paper they're written on. You'll have people like tsquare justify getting rid of them by stating it's not good for the company to fly unprofitable routes in order to keep true to your block hour requirements.

I don't know when we are going to begin to realize how often we don't defend language that at one time we proudly touted as protections for Delta pilots. We've got to remember this stuff or we'll continue to get played to the detriment of our profession's future.

See above

Carl

That was some incredible sailing today. Kiwis were 4 minutes from winning the America's cup and time was called. Then the American's rallied and really took it to the Kiwi's and did a great job to extend for one more day.

Never mind

LOA 13-3 has been reached. Will be discussed at the upcoming Special MEC meeting. It covers Pacific and Asia flying. I sure hope Scrappy didn't blow it.

You are missing the point also. It's not worth the discussion to go any further. You and Carl win. I surrender.