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Old 09-24-2013 | 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Erdude32
Teapublictards .
Spoken like a true drone for the "tolerant," "inclusive" left.
Old 09-24-2013 | 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Carl,

I've not heard a cogent "or else" plan for Japan.
That's what happens when you make decisions based on fear of the unknown. Your adversary can easily move you at will by offering up the latest scare tactic. The ALPA of Dave Behncke wouldn't have been moved by such transparent scare tactics. The new ALPA is...and it shows.

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
At the time the NRT deal appeared to be solid scope.
And it still was. Right up until the time DALPA gave it away without MEMRAT for nothing in return.

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Opening HND changed that.
It did no such thing because the Japanese government tightly controls who gets a HND slot and what time of the day/night that slot is.

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
The cheese got moved.
A wrong and unresponsive comment that does nothing but excuse getting steamrolled by fear tactics. No different than our TA being pushed on us with the comment of: "you definitely won't like what Delta's Plan B is if you vote NO." And of course that comment didn't come from management, it came from our union. Not that there's a difference.

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Old 09-24-2013 | 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by scambo1
Bar,
What I want is irrelevant.

I think I'll have a handful of captain peanutbutter crunch.
In my experience, Atlas does not shrug ... he moves to a more favorable business climate ... hopefully he flies Delta to get there.
Old 09-24-2013 | 05:32 PM
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There will be a Negotiator's Notepad or some other form of communication which gives us something to discuss objectively. Until then, gentlemen.
Old 09-24-2013 | 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by scambo1
We have planes we fly them places. We have a contract that theoretically has protections. If dal wants to fly more to haneda than to Narita, that's their choice. They lose a code share partner. If they want to keep the codeshare partner, they fly to Narita. They can add haneda when the lightning fast network guys sort it out.
Also with all due respect, and I haven't seen the LOA either, that makes no sense. If I understand Alfa correctly, the codeshare partners carry 15 pax/day. The penalty for being in non-compliance with the current, weak protections, is almost no pain to the company. On the other hand, they can't kill NRT fast, but it's going to be disadvantaged to be sure. NRT is like operating out of ALB to serve New York, and the government just opened up JFK for international traffic, and we don't have JFK slots. It doesn't take much guesswork to imagine the process. Step 1, you downgauge to keep frequencies, Step 2 you build a NRT bypass network to the major cities, minus those that had incremental pax from Japan to make the route viable, Step 3, you start shrinking NRT.

If they want to expand the codeshare with their partner outside those parameters, we have leverage.
Explain the nature of our leverage. I'm not being a smart-ass. Let's just say we don't work something out. What's the leverage?

If they want to pull out of Narita altogether to prove they are tough, they'll be on the street tomorrow. If they can expand haneda, I'm behind them 100 percent.
OK.

It's only a zero sum game if we give up slots to enable them a greater option to codeshare.
Again, not being a smart-ass, and I don't have the LOA. I haven't heard anything about expanding codeshares. I think they would probably need to do something, to gain more HND access, but I haven't read anything about it.
Old 09-24-2013 | 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
There will be a Negotiator's Notepad or some other form of communication which gives us something to discuss objectively. Until then, gentlemen.
Well said.

Good night.
Old 09-24-2013 | 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Well look at it this way. Narita scope was 316 slots. That's some of our Pacific flying. We now have scope on all of our Pacific flying.
We do not Bar. We don't have that anymore than we now have the 316 slot requirement.

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Would you rather own half a pie, or, would you rather own 85% of a pie which is twice the size?
A better question is: Do you get your resume in to Skymark now, or do you wait until your choice is to stay junior at Delta or be junior at Skymark?

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Council 60 published that Narita was 116,000 block hours. Asia PAC is 214,000. If the choice is THIS or THAT, then I want 85% of the pie that is nearly twice as large and growing.
Except Delta pilots won't be in on that pie growth. Skymark pilots will.

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Old 09-24-2013 | 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Erdude32
HIS party did own Healthcare reform. There was a National referendum on it...called an Election. He won, again....get over it. Interesting factoid: Red States, predominately hot beds of Redneck, uneducated beer swilling Tea Partiers stuck on Faux News are projected to overwhelmingly sign up for Healthcare when the exchanges open. Height of hypocracy on display. But wait, let's schedule a 44th or 45th vote to repeal it. Or shut the government down or default on our debt....that'll learn 'em! Continue down the path of obstructionism and the Teapublictards will never will a national election again.
You folks on the far left will never win hearts and minds conducting yourselves this way. But now that our population officially has more "takers" than "makers", you may not have to win any more hearts and minds.

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Old 09-24-2013 | 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
A better question is: Do you get your resume in to Skymark now, or do you wait until your choice is to stay junior at Delta or be junior at Skymark?

Carl
Carl,

I am a qualified Captain at Skymark

So you do your Dali Lama thing ... I'll be flying over his house ...
Old 09-24-2013 | 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
We do not Bar. We don't have that anymore than we now have the 316 slot requirement.



A better question is: Do you get your resume in to Skymark now, or do you wait until your choice is to stay junior at Delta or be junior at Skymark?



Except Delta pilots won't be in on that pie growth. Skymark pilots will.

Carl
Help me with this one. Skymark only flies inside Japan and the Section in the contract applies to 5th freedom flights FROM Japan to NOT Japan. If Skymark only flies inside Japan what's the concern as they don't do 5th freedom flying?

As of January 2013, Skymark Airlines operates scheduled flights to the following destinations:
Amami – Amami Airport (seasonal)
Asahikawa – Asahikawa Airport
Fukuoka – Fukuoka Airport Base
Ibaraki – Ibaraki Airport
Ishigaki - New Ishigaki Airport
Kagoshima – Kagoshima Airport
Kitakyushu – Kitakyushu Airport
Kobe – Kobe Airport Base
Kumamoto – Kumamoto Airport
Nagasaki – Nagasaki Airport
Naha – Naha Airport Base
Sapporo – New Chitose Airport Base
Tokyo
Haneda Airport Base
Narita International Airport Base
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